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  • sgibs7
    EA Game Changer
    • Jun 2009
    • 541

    #1

    Academic Game Theory in Madden

    Sgibs7 and Zfarls say: We not only strive to bring you the best plays from the community, but also the best strategy.

    This article will jump into the topic of Game Theory. If your not familiar with Game Theory here is a definition : Game theory attempts to mathematically capture behavior in strategic situations, in which an individual's success in making choices depends on the choices of others. While initially developed to analyze competitions in which one individual does better at another's expense.

    Over at Academic Earth they offer free courses from major university. The specific course on game theory comes from Yale and is taught by professor Ben Polak. In the introduction class, he introduces game theory and common game theory scenarios. He offers five tips which I feel can translate into the Madden world and help you improve your game.

    1. Do NOT Play Strictly Dominated Strategies: If it is 4th and 1 and you know your opponent can stop your FB Dive with a specific defensive play than you CAN NOT call the FB dive in that scenario. Yes, he may be too scared to call that play because it does allow longer gains if you call an outside run or over the top pass. However, the FB Dive is what game theorists call "Dominated" in this scenario. No matter what you have to go to another play that gives you a chance to succeed. Calling a pass play can always be a risky proposition in a short yardage scenario but if you do call the dive and he calls his specific FB dive stopping play than the game is over.

    2. Rational Decisions Sometimes Lead to Bad Outcomes: Sometimes you make the right call and step up in a big situation. However you can only control your opponent to a certain extent. One thing you can't control is when your players decide to drop the football! Perhaps you went for it on 4th and 5 because you were in No Mans Land. You couldn't kick a fg and punting would barely net you any yards. You decide to go for it and get to the first down line. After you cross the yellow line, your player fumbles. Your decision to go for it was properly calculated and made sense but it feels wrong because Ed Reed is now streaking the othe way with the football for six. Keep your head up and know you made the right decision!

    3. Madden Players = Evil : On average 30% of players in studies took the A Option which was less moral but offered more reward. To move this to madden thinking, I get hundreds of E-Mails each week asking about quick glitches and ways to get online wins. People send me messages about how to D/C and plays that can score TD's on every play.
    Well, its too bad I cant sell these people fat loss pills that will make them lose 100 pounds in just hours. I also have an uncle in Nigeria who can get them 1 Million Dollars if they just let me borrow 10 dollars!
    My message here is that people are always looking for quick fixes to tough problems. If there is a glitch out there, most people will use it. You must be careful with who you are playing against and always prepare for the worst case scenario. Bellicheck is a master of this situation, he always knows every possible thing that could happen in a game and coaches accordingly. You need to remember that Madden Players are evil and will do anything for a W. You don't have to play unfairly, but you need to be prepared to defend against it.

    4 Put Yourself In Other People's Shoes: Prof Polack isn't telling us to play nice here. He is asking us to think about what our opponent is thinking and what situation he is preparing for. If you can imagine the opponents thoughts than you will be able to take them into account when making your decision.

    If you need help in this aspect than bust out your NES or get an emulator and play Tecmo Super Bowl. This game had only 8 plays to choose from including 4 run and 4 pass. On defense your opponent would try and guess what play you picked and if he was right it resulted in a sack or loss of yard on a running play.

    If the game was on the line and you needed a deep pass, you only had 2 shotgun options to choose from. Basically you had a coin flip chance of your opponent getting in your head and getting a sack. Therefore you always had to be one step ahead of your opponent and guess what he thought you were going to pick, then pick the opposite. (Then he would pick the opposite?!?!?) The result was when the ball was snapped your were so anxious to see if he picked your play and got a near instant rush.

    Tecmo worked so well because the 8 plays created a nice balance of guessing games. Now in Madden you can select hundreds of plays, hot routes, and audibles. The defense selects from their own screen. However, you still want to step onto that otherside of the field and get into your opponents head before you pick your play!

    5 You Can't Get What You Want, Until You Know What You Want: Think of what you want to accomplish on your drive. Are you burning clock or conserving clock? Should you stay in bounds or do you need to pick up the extra yards? Is the game over with two more first downs or can your opponent stop the clock? These are issues that can decide games and rarely do good players mess them up.

    Brian Westbrook made the ultimate real world sacrifice a last season when he took didn't run in a touchdown and went down so the Eagles could run out the clock, SMART PLAY!!! Most stat hungry players would have got the TD and given the other team the ball back which is not smart strategy because you can't many points without the possessing the ball.

    Lets just say know what you are trying to accomplish before you get out onto the field. Most gamers are playing for the Win and there is no reason not to put yourself in the best position to do so. I once let a player score a TD with 14 seconds left to take the lead when all he needed was a FG as time expired. 78 Yard Bomb and 2 Point conversion later I had that kid with a long ride home to think about what a moron he was. These things do happen, know what you want and you want to WIN!

    Madden can often be a big mental battle for advanced players with equal skill levels. Often the games come down to that one big play and these strategies will help to put you in the best position to win.

    ZFarls Special Tip: Just because Madden can turn into a giant presnap battle doesn't mean that sticks don't matter. When that ball is snapped the mind games are over and the sticks are all that matter, so get in the lab!

    Sgibs7 Special Tip: Always be one step ahead of your opponent. Have a gameplan set in place. Dictate your first drive in your mind then follow through with it during the game. Nothing is worse when there is no method to your madness!
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  • MattIntellect
    MVP
    • May 2009
    • 2236

    #2
    Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

    This would have made a great OS blog.

    Welcome to OS!
    -Matt

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    • sgibs7
      EA Game Changer
      • Jun 2009
      • 541

      #3
      Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

      Originally posted by MattIntellect
      This would have made a great OS blog.

      Welcome to OS!
      thanks Matt!

      I have plenty to offer to OS. I have frequent other forums but I figued it only be fair to share the wealth. If its wanted Ide be more then happy to showcase plays on both side of the ball. Including my very own scheme! Let me know what the interest is fellas
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      • MattIntellect
        MVP
        • May 2009
        • 2236

        #4
        Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

        Originally posted by sgibs7
        thanks Matt!

        I have plenty to offer to OS. I have frequent other forums but I figued it only be fair to share the wealth. If its wanted Ide be more then happy to showcase plays on both side of the ball. Including my very own scheme! Let me know what the interest is fellas
        That sounds great and we actually need more people like you, but I don't think that the forums is the best place for this. If you put this in your OS blog (in your arena), it would probably be put on the front page.
        -Matt

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        • bang911
          Pro
          • Jun 2004
          • 607

          #5
          Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

          I know about some game theory. I have read a poker books that used game theory a lot to explain certain decisions.

          Sgibs... from Sports-Gamer.com?
          Last edited by bang911; 06-11-2009, 06:39 PM.

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          • sgibs7
            EA Game Changer
            • Jun 2009
            • 541

            #6
            Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

            Originally posted by MattIntellect
            That sounds great and we actually need more people like you, but I don't think that the forums is the best place for this. If you put this in your OS blog (in your arena), it would probably be put on the front page.
            thanks again Matt. I need some guidance as far as "being shown the ropes" i just updated my blog check it out!

            any other pointers?
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            • sgibs7
              EA Game Changer
              • Jun 2009
              • 541

              #7
              Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

              i dont get why my post wont show up lol

              but yes! i was on sports gamers a while back!
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              • MattIntellect
                MVP
                • May 2009
                • 2236

                #8
                Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

                Originally posted by sgibs7
                thanks again Matt. I need some guidance as far as "being shown the ropes" i just updated my blog check it out!

                any other pointers?
                If you need help with anything you can just send me a PM (private message).
                -Matt

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                • turfguy23
                  Rookie
                  • May 2009
                  • 249

                  #9
                  Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

                  Great read!!

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                  • MattIntellect
                    MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 2236

                    #10
                    Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

                    Originally posted by sgibs7
                    i dont get why my post wont show up lol

                    but yes! i was on sports gamers a while back!
                    Do you mean that you don't get why your blog won't show up on the front page? It's probably not on the front page because no one has commented on it yet. Yours is still in the starting five.
                    -Matt

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                    • sgibs7
                      EA Game Changer
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 541

                      #11
                      Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

                      it said a mod had to approve my quote here lol

                      i dunno,weird...so ur blog gets to the front page if people view itand comment on it?

                      lets hope people like it! i have plenty more where that came from! lol
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                      • MattIntellect
                        MVP
                        • May 2009
                        • 2236

                        #12
                        Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

                        Originally posted by sgibs7
                        it said a mod had to approve my quote here lol

                        i dunno,weird...so ur blog gets to the front page if people view itand comment on it?

                        lets hope people like it! i have plenty more where that came from! lol
                        Yeah, it would normally go under hot arena. We need to get back on topic before this thread is closed.
                        -Matt

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                        • sgibs7
                          EA Game Changer
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 541

                          #13
                          Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

                          Originally posted by MattIntellect
                          Yeah, it would normally go under hot arena. We need to get back on topic before this thread is closed.
                          well....

                          hows everyone going to implement this into Madden 2010!

                          game sheets thats where ill start!
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                          • PantherBeast_OS
                            RKO!!
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 6636

                            #14
                            Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

                            Well good post bro.:wink:

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                            • RaiderKtulu
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 1377

                              #15
                              Re: Academic Game Theory in Madden

                              Don't points 1 and 4 just lead to confusion and overthinking?

                              I want to do X. My opponent knows that, and he can stop me... so I'll do Y. But, if he knows that I know, he'll try to stop me from doing Y, so I should actually do X. Etc.

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