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Old 10-02-2009, 12:44 PM   #249
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So, speed of the backs is how those gaping holes opened up for LT and allowed him to reach the 2nd level of the defense? And lack of speed is the reason those gaping holes were closed and I was able to hit him several times right at the line or in the backfield?

Or is it just pre-determined programming you feel?
CB, there are too many variables that can explain your two game scenario. I mean, your play calling wasn't identical in each game, so even that can drastically change the game.

Let's get back to the focus of the discussion.
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Old 10-02-2009, 12:50 PM   #250
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CB, there are too many variables that can explain your two game scenario. I mean, your play calling wasn't identical in each game, so even that can drastically change the game.

Let's get back to the focus of the discussion.
I thought this was part of the focus of discussion. If the OL ratings truly do not matter, then:

*How can one game a DL dominate the LOS where the RB is stonewalled at the line when trying to run up the game, but in a different game the RB has holes to run through?

*How do you go from constantly being under pressure from one defensive front four, but the next game you have 5-7 secs to sit back in the pocket and make your reads?

These are things that I've seen happen over the course of my franchise games, the change of success is for both myself and the cpu. So is it the varying ratings of teams OL vs DL that is causing the varying outcomes or is it a predetermined program type thing?
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Old 10-02-2009, 12:55 PM   #251
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*How can one game a DL dominate the LOS where the RB is stonewalled at the line when trying to run up the game, but in a different game the RB has holes to run through?

*How do you go from constantly being under pressure from one defensive front four, but the next game you have 5-7 secs to sit back in the pocket and make your reads?
Playcalling can possibly explain those things.

However, nothing can explain undrafted rookie free agents being able to hang with an all pro defensive line. Please conduct an experiment yourself. Fire all of your OL and hire pure scrubs. I guarantee you will have successful games and you will have unsuccessful games.

You should never have success with a UFL level OL in the NFL.
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So, speed of the backs is how those gaping holes opened up for LT and allowed him to reach the 2nd level of the defense? And lack of speed is the reason those gaping holes were closed and I was able to hit him several times right at the line or in the backfield?
Obviously.


On a serious note, I think maybe the extreme low ratings are getting tossed out by the game. I'm not about to look up the actual ratings...but for the sake of this post, we'll say that the worst offensive lineman in the game has a 40 rating. If this is the case, then for normal, non-glitched, non-cheese gameplay, there's no reason for the game to see a rating less than 40. 40 becomes 0. Anything less than 40 flips back to being a high positive number and thus "the ratings don't matter" because a guy with a too-low rating who should never actually be in that position plays better than he should realistically play.

I think it's obvious from normal playing that a 90 rated lineman is better than a 60 rated lineman. Maybe the difference should be more pronounced, but it's there.

Of course, testing anything on All-Madden is just silly anyway because the level is intentionally designed to cheat to make it harder for you in the first place.
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Obviously.


On a serious note, I think maybe the extreme low ratings are getting tossed out by the game. I'm not about to look up the actual ratings...but for the sake of this post, we'll say that the worst offensive lineman in the game has a 40 rating. If this is the case, then for normal, non-glitched, non-cheese gameplay, there's no reason for the game to see a rating less than 40. 40 becomes 0. Anything less than 40 flips back to being a high positive number and thus "the ratings don't matter" because a guy with a too-low rating who should never actually be in that position plays better than he should realistically play.

I think it's obvious from normal playing that a 90 rated lineman is better than a 60 rated lineman. Maybe the difference should be more pronounced, but it's there.

Of course, testing anything on All-Madden is just silly anyway because the level is intentionally designed to cheat to make it harder for you in the first place.
This is a promising idea. I would propose to eliminate the floor. I WANT to feel like the OL is a priority in the offseason. I don't want to feel that I can plug any random guy in and the CPU gives him a minimum of 60 strength 275 lbs... etc.

If I make dumb mistakes, please EA, let me pay the price!
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Playcalling can possibly explain those things.
What difference in playcalling can there be when its the front 4 DL vs the 5 OL? Outside of crashing in/out, left out or being aggressive/pinching or shading left or right?

I'm not talking about LB's or DB's getting in the backfield. Or coming up to help with the run. I'm saying that DL vs OL specifically, I've seen where guys such as Dumervil will completely dominate the line, but someone less potent than him will not. Is that ratings based or just a predetermined/random thing?

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However, nothing can explain undrafted rookie free agents being able to hang with an all pro defensive line. Please conduct an experiment yourself. Fire all of your OL and hire pure scrubs. I guarantee you will have successful games and you will have unsuccessful games.

You should never have success with a UFL level OL in the NFL.
based off of this post I have a question. If I hire an all scrub OL(meaning everyone is lower than my weakest player that starts) and dominate the Broncos front 4, then that would mean the outcome is predetermined/random correct? Because with my starting 5, the Broncos, actually Dumervil, dominated my OL.
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based off of this post I have a question. If I hire an all scrub OL(meaning everyone is lower than my weakest player that starts) and dominate the Broncos front 4, then that would mean the outcome is predetermined/random correct? Because with my starting 5, the Broncos, actually Dumervil, dominated my OL.
I think Dumervil would have dominated regardless. I wouldn't say it's predetermined because I don't know. Star OL give up sacks. That is expected. Star DL get sacks. That is expected too.

What is not expected is punters pancaking defensive linemen. I think RaiderKtulu is on the right track.

There HAS to be a minimum rating applied to any personnel on the line. That is the only way to explain this dumbness. That means they didn't test this out enough. They didn't emphasize the importance of linemen enough with their current rating floor.

I wish EA would just remove it or significantly drop it. No ratings floors.
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I think Dumervil would have dominated regardless. I wouldn't say it's predetermined because I don't know. Star OL give up sacks. That is expected. Star DL get sacks. That is expected too.
So you don't know what causes it exactly but you do know that its not ratings based, because ratings don't matter....gotcha
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