Looking off safeties . . .

[nosaints26]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dmacho

That's not fair to the defense ; it's also unrealistic. That's like having the best of both worlds. You can use it to look of the defender, but the user on defense doesn't benefit from the ability to read the QB's eyes.

What? The defense was able to see the cone too...

If you have stick skills you can grab a safety or a linebacker and get to the cone. It was also proven that the AI reacted to the cone in years past as well.

If you were dumb enough on offense to stare down your receivers and not snap the cone around, or didn't think enough to center the cone down the field or look somewhere else before the snap, you deserved to have the defender get to the cone and pick you off.

That's how quarterbacks in the NFL do it. I struggle to see why people don't understand this. Passing is so easy now it's ridiculous. I don't even use the safety anymore because I usually haven't the slightest idea where my opponent is passing...

[bxgoods]

Yea the Cone was so awesome, why oh why didn't they leave it as a option....
Bring back the cone with some new tweaks...
And also bring route based passing, and fix the deep ball for Madden 11.

I miss being able to stare to the left side, and bait the safety to move left , then at the last second, look to the right to my wr running a streak, and throwing a Bomb..... that was sweet

[Soodmeg]

Yes all of the mouth breathers hated the cone because it was by far the most realistic thing that ever happened to madden and they couldnt handle it.

The cone was great beacuse it limited QB to only certain WR based on where they were standing on the field. It was extremely hard to scramble right and then move the stick to the middle or left of the field.

Without the cone there are about 10-15 routes that are impossible to throw because they are based on positioning of the DB. There is no way to alter the positions of a DB so your player will always be covered.

Thats why everyone plays 95% zone coverage because the DB will always be in the right position no matter what.

[Who Dey15]

The problem with the cone was if you threw outside of where the qb was looking(the cone) there was no penalty. You could only gain from using the cone.

[sois]

EA, bring the cone back, make it mandatory, and I'll buy it day 1, even if you make zero changes to anything else except the rosters.

[reo]

Quote: Originally Posted by bxgoods

I miss being able to stare to the left side, and bait the safety to move left , then at the last second, look to the right to my wr running a streak, and throwing a Bomb..... that was sweet

See. This is the sexy. Nothing at the moment is sexy about the passing game in Madden 10. It would also add a lot to playing defense. At the moment, all I do is focus on over the middle routes with Mike.

[Dmacho]

Quote: Originally Posted by nosaints26

What? The defense was able to see the cone too...

Yeah, but if it the user on offense doesn't have to use the cone everytime he passes, and just activates it when he wants to look off a safety( Madden 06 for the 360), the defense won't get the chance to read the QB's eyes. If the user has the choice to use the cone or not, than the they'll only use the vision cone when trying to manipulate the safety ir LB.

[silverandblack]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dmacho

That's not fair to the defense ; it's also unrealistic. That's like having the best of both worlds. You can use it to look of the defender, but the user on defense doesn't benefit from the ability to read the QB's eyes.

Quote: Originally Posted by nosaints26

What? The defense was able to see the cone too... If you have stick skills you can grab a safety or a linebacker and get to the cone. It was also proven that the AI reacted to the cone in years past as well. If you were dumb enough on offense to stare down your receivers and not snap the cone around, or didn't think enough to center the cone down the field or look somewhere else before the snap, you deserved to have the defender get to the cone and pick you off. That's how quarterbacks in the NFL do it. I struggle to see why people don't understand this. Passing is so easy now it's ridiculous. I don't even use the safety anymore because I usually haven't the slightest idea where my opponent is passing...

You guys are both correct, in a sense. The defense could see the cone, as well. This would essentially allow the defense to read the qb's eyes -- just as they do in real life in zone coverage. However, what was not fair, imo, was the ability to do the "quick throw" (or whatever it was called that year) where you would hold a button and then press the receiver you wanted to throw to and the qb would throw right to that receiver w/out bringing the cone all the way back across the field. Once players got the hang of this, the cone was exploited.