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Old 10-20-2009, 10:02 AM   #209
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If the gameplay was sick, I'd play it. Atmosphere gets old, gameplay keeps me coming back for more.



You're talking to people who prefer gameplay over presentation about settling for less? Pot, meet kettle.



Absolutely.



Bingo.



I can watch football on Sundays for realistic halftime shows and cut scenes and all that jazz. In fact, everything there is done PERFECT.

What I can't do on Sundays (or any other time for that matter) is control my team, take over the coaching duties and tell a player almost exactly what to do.

I can do presentation every weekend, but I can't do gameplay.



Maybe you guys should try Blitz: The League? And I don't mean that in a condescending tone. It, admittedly, has some neat cut scenes and presentation elements.
Pot, meet kettle? Where and how? Please explain because I never shot down anyone who preferred gameplay over presentation. My theory is that BOTH should be done well. I clearly said in my earlier post that atmosphere and gameplay should a marriage.

Gameplay should be an automatic in any game. It's like the engine of a car, it must perform well. But why stop there? Let's make that car look great. Let throw in all the sounds and feel of true NFL broadcast like we see on Sundays. We have the technology to do all of this correctly. We shouldn't be sitting here saying, "Go play Blitz or that's what the real NFL is for or it's just a video game." If that stuff doesn't matter to you BGeno, no ill will or hate towards you and totally respect your opinion. But people have to ask themselves, "Why does EA have the ESPN and NFL exclusivity if they won't integrate much of at all?"
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:29 AM   #210
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Pot, meet kettle? Where and how? Please explain because I never shot down anyone who preferred gameplay over presentation. My theory is that BOTH should be done well. I clearly said in my earlier post that atmosphere and gameplay should a marriage.
My bad, man. I didn't notice that. Sorry.

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No, I'm going to stick with the pot vs. kettle thing...

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Honestly, I don't care how great gameplay is. If the atmosphere is bad, who wants to play it?
On topic, though...

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Gameplay should be an automatic in any game. It's like the engine of a car, it must perform well. But why stop there? Let's make that car look great. Let throw in all the sounds and feel of true NFL broadcast like we see on Sundays. We have the technology to do all of this correctly.
That sounds great in theory. But, like I said, even though there are two development departments in the design of a game (visual/presentation and gameplay), there is still only so much time and so many resources.

There are ALWAYS going to be some things that get priority over others, especially in a patch. You may have to sacrifice a gameplay element for presentation or vice versa. You can't get everything all the time.

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We shouldn't be sitting here saying, "Go play Blitz or that's what the real NFL is for or it's just a video game." If that stuff doesn't matter to you BGeno, no ill will or hate towards you and totally respect your opinion. But people have to ask themselves, "Why does EA have the ESPN and NFL exclusivity if they won't integrate much of at all?"
And people also have to ask themselves, "What's the point of the utilizing the ESPN license if the game plays like crap?"

Why not put extra resources into making the game PLAY like real football, as opposed to it just LOOKING like real football? After all, it's a game that you're supposed to play, not a movie you're supposed to watch.

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Old 10-20-2009, 11:41 AM   #211
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Presentation takes on much more importance in the single player experience, in my opinion. It's really easy to get bored mid-game while playing a game that has bad presentation. As someone who plays 99% of his games in single player mode, I can say that presentation is vitally important.

But with the multi-player (sitting in same room) experience, the presentation's not as important because you and your friend serve as your own presentation, in a way; everything from comments, trash-talking, facial expressions, etc. can all make up for lack of in-game presentation.

Online can go either way, depending on whether or not you're communicating with your opponent via headset.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:33 PM   #212
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My bad, man. I didn't notice that. Sorry.

::edit::

No, I'm going to stick with the pot vs. kettle thing...



On topic, though...



That sounds great in theory. But, like I said, even though there are two development departments in the design of a game (visual/presentation and gameplay), there is still only so much time and so many resources.

There are ALWAYS going to be some things that get priority over others, especially in a patch. You may have to sacrifice a gameplay element for presentation or vice versa. You can't get everything all the time.



And people also have to ask themselves, "What's the point of the utilizing the ESPN license if the game plays like crap?"

Why not put extra resources into making the game PLAY like real football, as opposed to it just LOOKING like real football? After all, it's a game that you're supposed to play, not a movie you're supposed to watch.
Nah, no big deal. I thought you meant Pot calling kettle. That's on me

You see, 2Krules makes a great point, BGeno. Where I come from, I spend a lot of my time as a single player in Franchise Mode. All the quirks of presentation means a lot to me. You have a point that we can get everything, but it can come close. We can also expect a top notch effort as well. I'm not big on baseball games, but it makes no sense how deep that MLB 09 Show team went with presentation AND GAMEPLAY. Sometimes you have to compare sports games angainst each other and measure them up.

The gameplay can be great and of course it's king. However, what else can Madden 10 do? This involves the presentation and modes around it. What can Madden 10 do to keep me playing? In my eyesight and MANY others, Franchise Mode is broken and still not entertaining. Look at what Franchise Mode was on the last gen systems (04-06) and look at what it is now? I was able to play 6 or 7 years of Franchise mode with ease and no regret on last gen. Can't say the same about that mode now.

Once again, look at the technology of the systems we have now. We should be able to play AND take in the environment of the games. This should apply to all games and not be an exception to sports games.
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Check out the Madden NFL 10 blog, which talks about the preliminary details of the 2nd title update.
IAN or WHOEVER MAKES DECISIONS,

When is the Tackling Bug going to be fixed? This is getting ridicules! The game DOES NOT ADD tackles + assists - Total Tackles.. LIKE IT SHOULD! this is the EASIEST bug to fix and was not addressed in the 1st patch.. and it appears its not being addressed AGAIN!.. this should be #1 on your top priority list!

PLEASE.. I am begging you.. PLEASE fix that NOW! Franchise mode is UNPLAYABLE until you fix this!

PLEASE... PLEASE .. FIX THIS!!!
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IAN or WHOEVER MAKES DECISIONS,

When is the Tackling Bug going to be fixed? This is getting ridicules! The game DOES NOT ADD tackles + assists - Total Tackles.. LIKE IT SHOULD! this is the EASIEST bug to fix and was not addressed in the 1st patch.. and it appears its not being addressed AGAIN!.. this should be #1 on your top priority list!

PLEASE.. I am begging you.. PLEASE fix that NOW! Franchise mode is UNPLAYABLE until you fix this!

PLEASE... PLEASE .. FIX THIS!!!
Looman said this was part of the fixes going into "franchise". He even showed updated screens with the proper calculations.
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Looman said this was part of the fixes going into "franchise". He even showed updated screens with the proper calculations.
Really?? This will be in the 2nd patch??

If this is true.. THANK GOD!
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Soooo we're not fixing the glitchy running animation on long runs that causes Chris Johnson to be caught from behind by linebackers? I realize it's supposed to mirror fatigue in real life, but it's mostly just annoying.

And yes, I understand that the list isn't complete.

And yes, the stuff that IS in the patch sounds fantastic.
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