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Old 11-25-2009, 10:38 AM   #9
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Re: "Pinch" and "Spread OL Assignment and the Run Game

No one uses practice mode anymore? I mean ... set up a practice, run a few running plays and experiment and make the call yourself. it'll make you feel good.

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Re: "Pinch" and "Spread OL Assignment and the Run Game

I was actually trying this tonight as I'm playing using Begginner Playcalling to make the game more difficult and that's about the only thing you can do on offense in the mode. I couldn't tell that it made any difference, especially if the defense was blitzing. The blockers are going to pick up whoever is in their area unless they are pulling. It doesn't seem to redirect them in any meaningful way.

So count me in the group that doesn't think it does anything for the running game.
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:47 AM   #11
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Re: "Pinch" and "Spread OL Assignment and the Run Game

It certainly does something, at least the left/right shifts. Check out their assignments in the play. They'll run them initially then pick up on guys. With the shifts, they make that first move to the left/right appropriately.

I've never used Pinch, personally. No difference in that one. Aggressive forces your line straight forward.
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:49 AM   #12
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I've also given up on toss plays. All the person on D has to do is run way outside and the blockers will ignore them. Then turn back in and make the tackle. So that really leaves dives and counters, off tackle and that's all you can run really.
I'm using the NFL Simulation Sliders, but it's set to a decent difficulty setting for running in an attempt to make it authentic. This analysis is based purely from offline play against the AI.

Here's what I've learned in the running game.

Anything to the outside (sweep, toss, Power-O), run it fast. I hit RT as soon as I get the ball and look for the hole. Usually you don't need to make much of a move to hit it, so no need for big directional changes.

For any play through the A / B gaps (ISOs and such), run without RT and look for the hole. You're going into the defender and you may need to make some fairly large directional changes.
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It certainly does something, at least the left/right shifts. Check out their assignments in the play. They'll run them initially then pick up on guys. With the shifts, they make that first move to the left/right appropriately.

I've never used Pinch, personally. No difference in that one. Aggressive forces your line straight forward.
Hey Pared, I'm in a game right now. When I adjust to the left / right, I can see the art for where they are supposed to move, kind of looks like a stretch run, but when the play starts, they just push straight forward (this was on a run up the middle).

I wonder if the direction they are willing to move is in any way limited/affected by the type of play being run?
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I use aggressive a lot as I thought it was for runs (why would you want your line blocking forward on pass plays? That would put them blocking downfield would it not? Isn't that a penalty?)

Aggressive seems to make my runs more effective, especially between the tackles, though sometimes it works for stretch and other outside runs because the T/TE will go seek out the OLB/DB on that side and try to engage him. If he does, then you can get a seal on that side and have a good edge to run around and get into the secondary. Aggressive line calls seems to work VERY well if you happen to catch the defense running a zone or if they aren't blitzing the middle and/or jack LB.

Pinch, I use it on draw plays mostly since the line has to hold the blocks a little longer and most draws are right up the middle. Maybe I should try aggressive with those as well.

L/R slides, I have little luck with those, even on outside runs. Maybe my linemen just aren't fast enough (Ravens seem to have slow linemen) though a couple times it worked well, but I think I just caught the defense guessing the wrong side.

I wouldn't sprint as soon as the play starts, though, on stretch plays. Sometimes the RE will drive the LT upfield, but the LG will hold his edge. That creates a gap, so sometimes you have to cut into that gap, then hit it fast to get outside. After that I square up and try to finish the run (what this game calls "trucking") so my back will fight forward before going down.

Running inside, I'll use the sprint to hit a lane fast if I see one - kinda like the "one-cut runners" do in the NFL. If there's no lane, then I cover up the ball and "truck" so that the back can power ahead for yards if he gets contacted, especially the "jump off from being fully engaged to being on the HB's back" crap that happens.

I like running behind the guard or in a guard/tackle gap instead of actually outside. Sometimes you can bounce it outside, but a lot of times, the blocking is better. I like the power runs where you overload a side the best. The ones where the play has green motion and then some pulling linemen.

Oh, and there's a downside, at least with my lines (on my two franchise teams), sometimes they'll miss blitzers if you use a line call. If I think the defense is blitzing or doing something that the line won't pick up if I make a line call, I'll leave it be as I think that lets them pick out their own targets. Sometimes, that can get a run blitz picked up, giving your HB a chance for a worthwhile gain. That said, my OL aren't the greatest. Ravens line is solid, but not great and my fantasy draft team has a very young, inexperienced line.

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Hey Pared, I'm in a game right now. When I adjust to the left / right, I can see the art for where they are supposed to move, kind of looks like a stretch run, but when the play starts, they just push straight forward (this was on a run up the middle).

I wonder if the direction they are willing to move is in any way limited/affected by the type of play being run?
It could be. I don't think we know for sure that sliders don't affect their assignments either. Just to be sure, All-pro diff.

I've tested this extensively in head to head games without sliders and they certainly adjust their assignments. Try shifting away from the desired toss direction and you will see what I'm talking about.
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Re: "Pinch" and "Spread OL Assignment and the Run Game

I have had pretty good success using line shifts. What I typically do is use aggressive on all inside runs unless the dline is pinched in tight. If they are I will switch to pinch so that they can't overload my interior line and have someone come through untouched. Also, sometimes if the line is shifted away from the side I am running I sometimes shift my line over towards where I am running in an attempt to leave a backside defender unblocked in order to give me an extra blocker in the running lane, not sure if this works though a I haven't tried it too much.

On outside runs if I think I can make it outside the edge I will shift the line over to that side and try to get around the edge. If they are shifted over enough that I don't think I can get the edge I will either audible out of I will call an aggressive shift when they rush out to the edge look to cut it back up inside.
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