How far away are we?

[coop9889]

If you want complete realism, become a GM in real life.


Otherwise, lower your expectations... like the guy said a couple of posts above me, it's too complex for a video game.

[Tick32]

Quote: Originally Posted by Swingking77

PLEASE 2-3 YEARS!!! 2012 and the EA deal is done! Please...

Yea to bad the world may end 2012 lol

[C the Lyte]

Never. Expectations have become too unrealistic for Football sims. Sim fans will never be completely satisfied. I'd like to compare it to a decent paying job. It's nice to have one. You make decent pay, can pay all your bills and still have $ for fun, but you still think you deserve more no matter what. EA is in a no win situation. M 11 can absolutely topple M 10 (which I still think is a very good game) in every phase and be the greatest yet, and still the sim crowd will be extremely disappointed and critical.

[CreatineKasey]

The games will never get to the level of expectation of many people on here.

[stlstudios189]

my level of perfect will be in 2-3 years I hope. In game saves, practice squad, and a few tweaks in gameplay/presentation and I am set.

[dickey1331]

No sports game will ever be "perfect" IMO

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by C the Lyte

Never. Expectations have become too unrealistic for Football sims. Sim fans will never be completely satisfied. I'd like to compare it to a decent paying job. It's nice to have one. You make decent pay, can pay all your bills and still have $ for fun, but you still think you deserve more no matter what. EA is in a no win situation. M 11 can absolutely topple M 10 (which I still think is a very good game) in every phase and be the greatest yet, and still the sim crowd will be extremely disappointed and critical.

While I agree there are a lot of people who have unrealistic expectations, my problem with Madden would be meeting what I consider base expectations. There's just no way we should be able to look at the older football games as doing things better. Not at this point. And football is the only next gen genre you can say that with - basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, fighting, driving games are either at or have ascended past what their older counterparts were. With Madden there's little to no talk of individual matchups - it's all broad concepts. There really isn't much distinctive about offensive linemen in the game. Or defensive linemen, other than maybe the superstars. And that's MAYBE. It's a game where ball trajectories still aren't right. Where improvement needs to be made in OL play/DL play/WR play/DB play/presentation/franchise just to bring it on the level of what was done years ago. I know it sounds like a broken record but it's true unfortunately, and is the source of frustration for many. Sports games in other genres have progressed more, so there's disappointment that the game representing the biggest, most popular sport hasn't (at least in the US).

Maybe four years ago, it's understandable given a lot of sports games struggled with the next gen transition. But it's hard to have that same understanding six years later. Even with the situation being what it is, Madden/NCAA really are given the benefit of the doubt more often than not. It's the most popular sport and they have complete exclusivity, so I'd think there would be even more scrutiny than there is. If the basketball games had players averaging 42pts a night in franchise mode, there'd be constant complaining. Or players regularly smacking 70+homers in a baseball season. Instead I see a lot of people showing understanding and patience. I think M10 can be a fun game and is definitely an improvement over all the other next gen Maddens. And in some ways better than last gen Madden (gang tackling for example). But there are still many areas you can point to where it's not, and that's hard to take given the situation with exclusivity

[mr_president]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

While I agree there are a lot of people who have unrealistic expectations, my problem with Madden would be meeting what I consider base expectations. There's just no way we should be able to look at the older football games as doing things better. Not at this point. And football is the only next gen genre you can say that with - basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, fighting, driving games are either at or have ascended past what their older counterparts were. With Madden there's little to no talk of individual matchups - it's all broad concepts. There really isn't much distinctive about offensive linemen in the game. Or defensive linemen, other than maybe the superstars. And that's MAYBE. It's a game where ball trajectories still aren't right. Where improvement needs to be made in OL play/DL play/WR play/DB play/presentation/franchise just to bring it on the level of what was done years ago. I know it sounds like a broken record but it's true unfortunately, and is the source of frustration for many. Sports games in other genres have progressed more, so there's disappointment that the game representing the biggest, most popular sport hasn't (at least in the US). Maybe four years ago, it's understandable given a lot of sports games struggled with the next gen transition. But it's hard to have that same understanding six years later. Even with the situation being what it is, Madden/NCAA really are given the benefit of the doubt more often than not. It's the most popular sport and they have complete exclusivity, so I'd think there would be even more scrutiny than there is. If the basketball games had players averaging 42pts a night in franchise mode, there'd be constant complaining. Or players regularly smacking 70+homers in a baseball season. Instead I see a lot of people showing understanding and patience. I think M10 can be a fun game and is definitely an improvement over all the other next gen Maddens. And in some ways better than last gen Madden (gang tackling for example). But there are still many areas you can point to where it's not, and that's hard to take given the situation with exclusivity

well said