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Old 10-18-2010, 05:10 PM   #417
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agreed....madden 11 looks very cartoony to me in comparison to NCAA
For what it worth.... If the gameplay was stellar and had great ai and all the offseason bells and whistles Id take sub par visuals.
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Old 10-18-2010, 05:26 PM   #418
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I would say that graphics should remain EA. Madden looks amazing. It just doesn't move that well.
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Madden does ...playbooks...
Sheeeeeeeeeet! The playbooks are the beginning of the end. The defensive playbook is not tiered. Even for folks that like it like that, there are way too many basic stunt/blitz/coverage combinations missing. EA either needs to beef the defensive playbooks up 5 fold, at least, or tier it.

My defensive experience usually goes like this: Search for defensive play similar to the scheme in my head. Don't find it. Decide whether I want to match the stunt/blitz I want or the coverage. Pick one. Hope the other will due since I'm not about to hot route my way into the defense I really want. Shake my head at the inability to press individual DBs, the inability to shade and the inability to bring my SS into the box w/o effecting my CBs. Watch the play with disgust.

The offensive playbook needs to be re-tiered so that personnel precede formations. For example, if I select base personnel (2 WRS, 2 RBs & TE), I should be able to use ANY formation with that personnel. I shouldn't have to look for specific formations with my RB split out, for example.

And the offensive playbook needs to duplicate play types in similar formations. For example, every 2-back run play should be in ever 2-back set. As it is there are too many plays that exist in only I formation or I Strong or I Weak. Most, if not all plays that can be run from one can be run from the others.

EA wants to know why people spend so much time in the playbooks, this is why.
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Old 10-18-2010, 06:35 PM   #419
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Agreed!

Sheeeeeeeeeet! The playbooks are the beginning of the end. The defensive playbook is not tiered. Even for folks that like it like that, there are way too many basic stunt/blitz/coverage combinations missing. EA either needs to beef the defensive playbooks up 5 fold, at least, or tier it.

My defensive experience usually goes like this: Search for defensive play similar to the scheme in my head. Don't find it. Decide whether I want to match the stunt/blitz I want or the coverage. Pick one. Hope the other will due since I'm not about to hot route my way into the defense I really want. Shake my head at the inability to press individual DBs, the inability to shade and the inability to bring my SS into the box w/o effecting my CBs. Watch the play with disgust.

The offensive playbook needs to be re-tiered so that personnel precede formations. For example, if I select base personnel (2 WRS, 2 RBs & TE), I should be able to use ANY formation with that personnel. I shouldn't have to look for specific formations with my RB split out, for example.

And the offensive playbook needs to duplicate play types in similar formations. For example, every 2-back run play should be in ever 2-back set. As it is there are too many plays that exist in only I formation or I Strong or I Weak. Most, if not all plays that can be run from one can be run from the others.

EA wants to know why people spend so much time in the playbooks, this is why.
Exactly. The way they have their playbooks set up now is pretty much been the same since 1994. I like they went with a radical new idea like gameflow, but it was poorly implemented and executed.
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Old 10-18-2010, 07:36 PM   #420
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Hopefully something will give soon. I'm not saying Madden 11 is a bad game but regardless of the additions of things like gameplanning etc...it's still EA's version of what football is. I'm just sick of it, personally. Say what you will but the game is still full of scripted results, bad physics and frankly boring on the field gameplay.

I just wish once we could get a game where the game felt "alive" and not a video game. The Show does a great job of this and 2K11 Basketball is outstanding. Unfortunetly I'm not a big NBA fan but I know I'd like that type of football game.

Until the NFL realizes they would get a MUCH better product out if there was competition, we as football fans will lose.

Again Madden isn't a "bad" game but we need a change. Well, I do. I couldn't eat the same dinner every day for 10 years.... same difference.
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I could spend from now til infinity on this very point. This is the root cause of why I have such contempt for Madden at this point. Many people have said and I agree with them, that NBA 2k11 is so realistic. What 2k did is not rocket science, they just simulated NBA basketball. Visually simmed what we see on tv, acoustically simmed what you hear at the stadium and miscellaneously simmed what goes on throughout the actual league, BRILLIANT!

I read so many posts on OS where people are saying recreating football is "so hard". Granted I know little about software design but seems just copying what the NFL alrady does in real life would be easier than reinventing the wheel.

I will not go on and on about this but for pete's sake and mine EA, please just copy what the NFL does.
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Church!

I could spend from now til infinity on this very point. This is the root cause of why I have such contempt for Madden at this point. Many people have said and I agree with them, that NBA 2k11 is so realistic. What 2k did is not rocket science, they just simulated NBA basketball. Visually simmed what we see on tv, acoustically simmed what you hear at the stadium and miscellaneously simmed what goes on throughout the actual league, BRILLIANT!

I read so many posts on OS where people are saying recreating football is "so hard". Granted I know little about software design but seems just copying what the NFL alrady does in real life would be easier than reinventing the wheel.

I will not go on and on about this but for pete's sake and mine EA, please just copy what the NFL does.
Exactly, Ian Cummings should have one of the easiest jobs ever as the Creative Director, because you don't have to be creative at all! Just copy what someone else does and you will have done your job!
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The offensive playbook needs to be re-tiered so that personnel precede formations. For example, if I select base personnel (2 WRS, 2 RBs & TE), I should be able to use ANY formation with that personnel. I shouldn't have to look for specific formations with my RB split out, for example.
you mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/v/H_Y6Pxaboek?fs=1&hl=en_US type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385">
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Old 10-18-2010, 08:21 PM   #423
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Agreed!


The offensive playbook needs to be re-tiered so that personnel precede formations. For example, if I select base personnel (2 WRS, 2 RBs & TE), I should be able to use ANY formation with that personnel. I shouldn't have to look for specific formations with my RB split out, for example.
U mean like this?

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