Looks like Progression is pre determined

[splff3000]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gosens6

Okay then what you're saying then is YOUR players progression isn't pre-determined, which is fine, but, the rest of the league has to sugger because everyone else's is pre-determined when simming. I don't see how that can be a reasonable exception.

Okay, now we're getting closer to the same page. Yes, my players are not predetermined. To be honest, I never looked at the other players that aren't on my team to see how they're progressing. I really didn't care. I was only concerned with my team. Even if that is the case, I'm not concerned with it as long as my guys are doing what they are supposed to do. The way I play franchise is I look at my team and only my team when making decisions and moves. I guess you guys are all over yours. In this case, I say ignorance is bliss. I have no idea what other teams are doing and I don't care. It's too hard trying to turn around the Raiders without having to worry about other teams too lol.

[cubsball899]

Quote: Originally Posted by splff3000

Okay, now we're getting closer to the same page. Yes, my players are not predetermined. To be honest, I never looked at the other players that aren't on my team to see how they're progressing. I really didn't care. I was only concerned with my team. Even if that is the case, I'm not concerned with it as long as my guys are doing what they are supposed to do. The way I play franchise is I look at my team and only my team when making decisions and moves. I guess you guys are all over yours. In this case, I say ignorance is bliss. I have no idea what other teams are doing and I don't care. It's too hard trying to turn around the Raiders without having to worry about other teams too lol.

see when ur players then progress more than the other teams players, thats not good for a game which already has trouble simulating difficulty

[Gosens6]

Quote: Originally Posted by splff3000

Okay, now we're getting closer to the same page. Yes, my players are not predetermined. To be honest, I never looked at the other players that aren't on my team to see how they're progressing. I really didn't care. I was only concerned with my team. Even if that is the case, I'm not concerned with it as long as my guys are doing what they are supposed to do. The way I play franchise is I look at my team and only my team when making decisions and moves. I guess you guys are all over yours. In this case, I say ignorance is bliss. I have no idea what other teams are doing and I don't care. It's too hard trying to turn around the Raiders without having to worry about other teams too lol.

And this gets back to my point about performance affecting overall rating. When your players perform, they improve, but since you're not playing with other teams, the other players in the league are stuck with pre-determined progression, take my Matt Ryan example.

It needs to be fixed and until it is Franchise mode will continue to be awful

[splff3000]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gosens6

The thing i'm trying to explain though is people can play past there so called "potential" and can also underplay it. Honestly that word is just a mask trying to steer people away from the fact that progression is pre-determined. If people thought Tom Brady has an "A" grade in potential he would have never slipped to the sixth round. Just like if everyone knew JaMarcus Russel, or Ryan Leafs or JP Losmans or any other failed QB's potential rating was an F then no one would have drafted them that high. And i'm only speaking that their potential would be an F in Madden terms. These guys never progressed and the only way that happens if their potential is C or lower, it's ridiculous. There is no such thing as potential the way Madden puts it, that word should be banned from sports video games.

Ok, I'll give you guys the progression thing because, like I said before, I don't look at the other teams. I just look at mine and how mine progresses. I don't have enough proof to say otherwise for the cpu teams.

I will not give up on this potential thing. I don't understand what you guys are missing. It's A Cap!!!!!!!!!!! What is so hard to understand about that. EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS A CAP ON THEIR PHYSICAL TALENT. I can't turn into Michael Jordan just because i practice a lot. It's beyond my physical abilities. That's all potential is. The cap on a player's physical abilities. NO ONE CAN PLAY BEYOND THEIR PHYSICAL ABILITIES...........NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know what's so hard to understand.

[splff3000]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gosens6

And this gets back to my point about performance affecting overall rating. When your players perform, they improve, but since you're not playing with other teams, the other players in the league are stuck with pre-determined progression, take my Matt Ryan example. It needs to be fixed and until it is Franchise mode will continue to be awful

Or I can join a 32 team Online Franchise lol.

[Gosens6]

Quote: Originally Posted by splff3000

Ok, I'll give you guys the progression thing because, like I said before, I don't look at the other teams. I just look at mine and how mine progresses. I don't have enough proof to say otherwise for the cpu teams. I will not give up on this potential thing. I don't understand what you guys are missing. It's A Cap!!!!!!!!!!! What is so hard to understand about that. EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS A CAP ON THEIR PHYSICAL TALENT. I can't turn into Michael Jordan just because i practice a lot. It's beyond my physical abilities. That's all potential. The cap on a player's physical abilities. NO ONE CAN PLAY BEYOND THEIR PHYSICAL ABILITIES...........NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know what's so hard to understand.

The thing is I completely understand your "Cap" argument. The thing i'm trying to get you to understand though is people often play past their physical limits. Jerry Rice was NEVER the fastest player to play the game of football, yet he is considered the greatest player. In Madden, without speed, you're nothing. His overall probably would have never gone above a 75 at best because Jerry Rice had average speed.

People are allowed to play about their physical abilities, that's just the way it happens in real life, and that's how it should be in Madden.

[cubsball899]

Quote: Originally Posted by splff3000

Ok, I'll give you guys the progression thing because, like I said before, I don't look at the other teams. I just look at mine and how mine progresses. I don't have enough proof to say otherwise for the cpu teams. I will not give up on this potential thing. I don't understand what you guys are missing. It's A Cap!!!!!!!!!!! What is so hard to understand about that. EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS A CAP ON THEIR PHYSICAL TALENT. I can't turn into Michael Jordan just because i practice a lot. It's beyond my physical abilities. That's all potential is. The cap on a player's physical abilities. NO ONE CAN PLAY BEYOND THEIR PHYSICAL ABILITIES...........NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know what's so hard to understand.

BUT
one can use his physical abilities in different ways in order to maximize production. for example look at a guy like wes welker... his overall i believe was like a 91 in 2010... the guy doesn't have tremendous physical skills by any stretch of the imagination but in the right system with the right guys around him he excels. therefore in madden his overall is very high. but if you have a player who isn't tremendously fast or athletic but you use him the right way and put up huge numbers, his overall should go up for the sole purpose of being able to trade him or having him sign a big contract in free agency, (like the matt cassel example) you can play above your potential for a short period of time and the overall should reflect that in order to accurately simulate offseason transactions. if my bears signed wes welker i GUARANTEE he wouldn't be playing like he is in new england.

[Jono078]

Dude, you're almost going a whole different discussion.

I'm not saying if Pat Williams tries to improve his speed enough he'll be greater than Usain Bolt!

How can you not look at the other teams? When you go to free agency do you just look at re-signing players? Don't you look at what talent is out there and think I should sign this guy cause he has huge upside to him?

Someone mentioned Miles Austin. Let's say Sidney Rice too. In the first roster when the game came out I believe he was low 70s or just under 70.

The way I want progression to be is like how we get roster updates. Why did Sidney Rice get bumped from a 70 or so OVR to 88 by the end of the season in the roster updates? It's because he was up there with the top receptions, yards and touchdowns. Which goes against your 'if I get 2500 rushing yards he doesnt need to be improved cause he's already good' at a 69 OVR!