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CLASSIFIED · 07-30-2003, 01:37 AM

I don't see want your talkin about with stiff and square and straight lines. Everything about ESPN's models looks more real. Some of you sound like you can't tell the difference between cartoonish versions of players to real versions of players. Even if body proportions are off in ESPN which I can't see it's more real looking than cartoonish thus equals better graphics. If you think Madden models aren't cartoonish watch a real NFL football broadcast. It's simple to see they look nothing like NFL players but look like small cartoon version of them.

brad · 07-30-2003, 02:38 AM

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Dapo said:
This should end dis argument

i will give espn the faces they do a good job there but i still think maddens models are better

and which would u rather have models or faces?

HotrodderZ · 07-30-2003, 02:48 AM

Getting into a pic war is usless unless you can find two pics of the player in the same position and camera angle to compare.

These are the closest pics that I could find that represent the player in the same camera angle and position. I think that these pics illustrate that Madden's proportions are not as skewed as some people make them out to be.

Sega's model would be great if it weren't for a few deficiencies. First, the chest pads don't seem to conform to the players body. This makes the player's torso look abnormally flat and out of shape. Secondly, the arms are two short. Most human's arms are long enough for their hand to come down to their mid theigh. In Sega's model, the arms barely reach past their hip.

I think where VC really has an advantage is the model textures. They are much more crisp and detailed. Madden's look like they've been airbrushed a little too much.

ultramag7 · 07-30-2003, 06:34 AM

madden's player models look like marionettes. you ever watch thunberirds "argo" that's what they look like. i still like the ncaa series over madden, 2k3 and the like. if we could only get a game with fever's graphics, 2k's gameplay and madden's attitude and extra's. ahhh!!!! that would be paradise!!!

Graphik · 07-30-2003, 09:07 AM

After looking at the pics very closely. I came to the conclusion that Maddens models look better. Dont get me wrong, 2Ks faces look 50x better, but thier models look kinda boxey. Thier shoulders are to square and not round enough. And their torsos look to flat.

Kanobi · 07-30-2003, 09:10 AM

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HotrodderZ said:
Getting into a pic war is usless unless you can find two pics of the player in the same position and camera angle to compare.

c'mon man....what is this? If you want a cartoon version of Ricky then this is cool.

I saw an ESPN beta vid of the Fins and Lions where Rick looked pretty spot on. If the Gamespot vids are any indication....He's gonna look alot better in ESPNFL than he does in Madden.

For all the Madden fans who have a Gamespot Complete or just the $5 monthly pass like I do...DL the Latest Vids for ESPNFL on PS2 and Xbox at Gamespot then report back to this thread and try to honestly deny 2k's Models are clearly better scaled and proportioned than Maddens. You'll be lying to yourself if you did.

iLLWiLL · 07-30-2003, 09:21 AM

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Kanobi said:
c'mon man....what is this? If you want a cartoon version of Ricky then this is cool.

Sigh, instead merely making kiddy comments like the game looks like a "cartoon", why don't you elaborate on just why it does

...be more descriptive instead of just degrading an aspect of the game

jmood88 · 07-30-2003, 09:23 AM

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HotrodderZ said:
Getting into a pic war is usless unless you can find two pics of the player in the same position and camera angle to compare.

These are the closest pics that I could find that represent the player in the same camera angle and position. I think that these pics illustrate that Madden's proportions are not as skewed as some people make them out to be.

Sega's model would be great if it weren't for a few deficiencies. First, the chest pads don't seem to conform to the players body. This makes the player's torso look abnormally flat and out of shape. Secondly, the arms are two short. Most human's arms are long enough for their hand to come down to their mid theigh. In Sega's model, the arms barely reach past their hip.

I think where VC really has an advantage is the model textures. They are much more crisp and detailed. Madden's look like they've been airbrushed a little too much.

All of the pictures you say are bad are the old ones. And that ricky williams picture is horrible.

07-30-2003, 01:37 AM	#49
CLASSIFIED Rookie OVR: 4 Join Date: Jul 2003	Re: Madden\'s player models.. I don't see want your talkin about with stiff and square and straight lines. Everything about ESPN's models looks more real. Some of you sound like you can't tell the difference between cartoonish versions of players to real versions of players. Even if body proportions are off in ESPN which I can't see it's more real looking than cartoonish thus equals better graphics. If you think Madden models aren't cartoonish watch a real NFL football broadcast. It's simple to see they look nothing like NFL players but look like small cartoon version of them.

07-30-2003, 02:38 AM	#50
brad MVP OVR: 11 Join Date: Feb 2003	Re: Madden\'s player models.. Quote: *Dapo said:* This should end dis argument i will give espn the faces they do a good job there but i still think maddens models are better and which would u rather have models or faces?

07-30-2003, 02:48 AM	#51
HotrodderZ Rookie OVR: 4 Join Date: May 2003	Re: Madden\'s player models.. Getting into a pic war is usless unless you can find two pics of the player in the same position and camera angle to compare. These are the closest pics that I could find that represent the player in the same camera angle and position. I think that these pics illustrate that Madden's proportions are not as skewed as some people make them out to be. Sega's model would be great if it weren't for a few deficiencies. First, the chest pads don't seem to conform to the players body. This makes the player's torso look abnormally flat and out of shape. Secondly, the arms are two short. Most human's arms are long enough for their hand to come down to their mid theigh. In Sega's model, the arms barely reach past their hip. I think where VC really has an advantage is the model textures. They are much more crisp and detailed. Madden's look like they've been airbrushed a little too much.

07-30-2003, 06:34 AM	#52
ultramag7 Rookie OVR: 3 Join Date: Jul 2003	Re: Madden\'s player models.. madden's player models look like marionettes. you ever watch thunberirds "argo" that's what they look like. i still like the ncaa series over madden, 2k3 and the like. if we could only get a game with fever's graphics, 2k's gameplay and madden's attitude and extra's. ahhh!!!! that would be paradise!!!

07-30-2003, 09:07 AM	#53
Graphik Prsnr#70460649 OVR: 22* Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chi-Town, Ill-State Posts: 10,580	Re: Madden\'s player models.. After looking at the pics very closely. I came to the conclusion that Maddens models look better. Dont get me wrong, 2Ks faces look 50x better, but thier models look kinda boxey. Thier shoulders are to square and not round enough. And their torsos look to flat.

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07-30-2003, 09:10 AM	#54
Kanobi HF Clss f '09 OVR: 14* Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,979 Blog Entries: 17	Re: Madden\'s player models.. Quote: *HotrodderZ said:* Getting into a pic war is usless unless you can find two pics of the player in the same position and camera angle to compare. c'mon man....what is this? If you want a cartoon version of Ricky then this is cool. I saw an ESPN beta vid of the Fins and Lions where Rick looked pretty spot on. If the Gamespot vids are any indication....He's gonna look alot better in ESPNFL than he does in Madden. For all the Madden fans who have a Gamespot Complete or just the $5 monthly pass like I do...DL the Latest Vids for ESPNFL on PS2 and Xbox at Gamespot then report back to this thread and try to honestly deny 2k's Models are clearly better scaled and proportioned than Maddens. You'll be lying to yourself if you did.

07-30-2003, 09:21 AM	#55
iLLWiLL MVP OVR: 10 Join Date: Jul 2002	Re: Madden\'s player models.. Quote: *Kanobi said:* c'mon man....what is this? If you want a cartoon version of Ricky then this is cool. Sigh, instead merely making kiddy comments like the game looks like a "cartoon", why don't you elaborate on just why it does ...be more descriptive instead of just degrading an aspect of the game

07-30-2003, 09:23 AM	#56
jmood88 Sean Payton: Retribution OVR: 40 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 34,640 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Madden\'s player models.. Quote: *HotrodderZ said:* Getting into a pic war is usless unless you can find two pics of the player in the same position and camera angle to compare. These are the closest pics that I could find that represent the player in the same camera angle and position. I think that these pics illustrate that Madden's proportions are not as skewed as some people make them out to be. Sega's model would be great if it weren't for a few deficiencies. First, the chest pads don't seem to conform to the players body. This makes the player's torso look abnormally flat and out of shape. Secondly, the arms are two short. Most human's arms are long enough for their hand to come down to their mid theigh. In Sega's model, the arms barely reach past their hip. I think where VC really has an advantage is the model textures. They are much more crisp and detailed. Madden's look like they've been airbrushed a little too much. All of the pictures you say are bad are the old ones. And that ricky williams picture is horrible.

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