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ripham23232 · 09-08-2010, 12:12 PM

As long as I have been playing sports games (mid-90's) I was always under the impression the higher rated overall player was the better player. In the past few years or so, I see people are talking more and more about looking at individual attributes and completely ignoring the overall rating. I can't seem to understand this concept. For example: Quarterbacks. Supposedly ignoring overall rating, and looking at awareness, throw power, and throw accuracy should tell you who the better player is. But shouldn't the player who has the higher ratings here also have the higher overall rating?

pooch29 · 09-08-2010, 12:22 PM

It'd be nice if the developers could actually comment on ratings and exactly what matters and what doesn't.

You'd think overall would be the key but clearly from my experience it isn't a lot of the time. Thing is though, I've gone by individual category ratings that were IMO key to the position and that doesn't always tell the story.

I think the worst would be the ratings for OL since there are the ratings for pass/run then you have footwork and strength for those. Thing is I have seen OL that are rated 90+ that don't have 90+ rated blocking numbers. So is EA saying someone with 90+ ratings in those categories but say an overall of 78 will be superior to the 90+ rated OL? If so, why even have the overall? Does strength and the other physical attribute categories come into play here?

Boggling. I had Jake long on my team for the first season in my franchise and he was total crap yet there he is the 3rd highest rated LT in the game.

tomriddle · 09-08-2010, 01:08 PM

Technically speaking, I would take a player with tremendous POSITION-SPECIFIC ratings over someone with a much higher ovr..

I'll give you 2 case scenarios, one from a real player and another from a draftee

case 1:
WR Damyrius Thomas
-Bpotential only, low 80s ovr, but imnho, is the single most dangerous WR in the entire game with the exception of Brandon Marshall. The reason Damyrius is so deadly is because he has all the attributes a killer wideout needs, spd/agi/acc/cth/etc etc but his RLS aka Release is 99.. that's right. In the entire game, he is without equal (save for Brandon who is also a 99 RLS)..
-so basically Damyrius beats his man cleanly off the line when pressed which leads to instant touchdowns..
-he can go in the middle and catch it in traffic, he can outrun people, he can do it all.. I know, he was integral in my franchise, "The Tim Tebow Experiment" and in one game he had 4 TD's over 400yds receiving..
-that's when my eyes were truly opened to position-specific ratings

case 2:
DE Landon Jones (I picked him 10th overall in my Redskins chise), he's an A-potential player with low 80s ovr but his production on the field is horrible.. he's pretty much a non-factor on the defensive line.. (I can see why too because he has amazing finesse/speed/pass rusher attributes but his BSH is in the 70s which means he can't get off the blocks to utilize his superior talent)
-similar draft, I picked up a Dlineman with 99STR and 99BSH (Block Shedding), Cpotential and low 70s ovr... however during games, whenever he gets subb'd in or starts for injured players.. he is ALWAYS a force.. tackling, forcing fumbles, sacks, you name it he does it

so yea.. you have to have a keen eye and sometimes ovr ratings aren't the end-all-be-all..

you really have to build your team, imnho

GreenReign86 · 09-08-2010, 01:35 PM

Actually, look at a player like Colt McCoy. He has the 3rd highest overall on the Browns amungst QB's. Yet he is by far the best Madden QB on the Browns. He has 80's in both SAC, and MAC, and I believe 70's for DAC. Whereas, Wallace who is rated 3 points higher has 60's in all 3. And Delhome has 70's. Awareness is totally pointless for QB's, so I don't even look at that. The only ratings I look at for QB's are THP, and the accuracy ratings, and speed is the tie breaker.

For me in determining who is the better player, I look at position spacific ratings. For instance, for WR; RTR, CIT, CTH, SPD, ACC, RLS. For slot WR's I only look at CIT, RLS, RTR, and ACC. Some indevidual ratings help determine certain specialists, such as, trucking would be the #1 key for a short yardage back. You really have to look at the position spacific ratings when determining who to start. A 75 OVR CB with 82 MCV, and 85 ZCV, is better then a 80 OVR CB with 76 MCV, and 75 ZCV.

tomriddle · 09-08-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenReign86


	Actually, look at a player like Colt McCoy. He has the 3rd highest overall on the Browns amungst QB's. Yet he is by far the best Madden QB on the Browns. He has 80's in both SAC, and MAC, and I believe 70's for DAC. Whereas, Wallace who is rated 3 points higher has 60's in all 3. And Delhome has 70's. Awareness is totally pointless for QB's, so I don't even look at that. The only ratings I look at for QB's are THP, and the accuracy ratings, and speed is the tie breaker.

why do you say that? AWR is amongst the most prized of all QB ratings..

oh I see.. you play madden so you dont really need your qb to be aware since you're the one playing

still, if u ever sim/etc AWR does play a part...

just found it funny you say AWR means nothing when it's among the top attributes for a QB

GreenReign86 · 09-08-2010, 01:42 PM

I'd still take Calvin Johnson over Brandon Marshall, or any other WR in the game. 6'-5" with 95 speed, and great position spacific ratings to boot.

GreenReign86 · 09-08-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tomriddle


	why do you say that? AWR is amongst the most prized of all QB ratings.. oh I see.. you play madden so you dont really need your qb to be aware since you're the one playing still, if u ever sim/etc AWR does play a part... just found it funny you say AWR means nothing when it's among the top attributes for a QB

Awareness, use to have meaning back in the days of the vison cone, and that light bulb thingy.

tomriddle · 09-08-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenReign86


	Awareness, use to have meaning back in the days of the vison cone, and that light bulb thingy.

I "play" coach mode, so I still value high AWR over anything for a QB..

scan the field, find the right reads, proper play for any given situation, etc

I guess it's different for those of us who don't control the QB and in a way, has no use for his awareness

09-08-2010, 12:22 PM	#2
pooch29 Banned OVR: 2 Join Date: Aug 2010	Re: Overall Rating vs. Individual Attributes It'd be nice if the developers could actually comment on ratings and exactly what matters and what doesn't. You'd think overall would be the key but clearly from my experience it isn't a lot of the time. Thing is though, I've gone by individual category ratings that were IMO key to the position and that doesn't always tell the story. I think the worst would be the ratings for OL since there are the ratings for pass/run then you have footwork and strength for those. Thing is I have seen OL that are rated 90+ that don't have 90+ rated blocking numbers. So is EA saying someone with 90+ ratings in those categories but say an overall of 78 will be superior to the 90+ rated OL? If so, why even have the overall? Does strength and the other physical attribute categories come into play here? Boggling. I had Jake long on my team for the first season in my franchise and he was total crap yet there he is the 3rd highest rated LT in the game.

09-08-2010, 01:08 PM	#3
tomriddle Banned OVR: 25 Join Date: Nov 2004 Blog Entries: 101	Re: Overall Rating vs. Individual Attributes Technically speaking, I would take a player with tremendous POSITION-SPECIFIC ratings over someone with a much higher ovr.. I'll give you 2 case scenarios, one from a real player and another from a draftee case 1: WR Damyrius Thomas -Bpotential only, low 80s ovr, but imnho, is the single most dangerous WR in the entire game with the exception of Brandon Marshall. The reason Damyrius is so deadly is because he has all the attributes a killer wideout needs, spd/agi/acc/cth/etc etc but his RLS aka Release is 99.. that's right. In the entire game, he is without equal (save for Brandon who is also a 99 RLS).. -so basically Damyrius beats his man cleanly off the line when pressed which leads to instant touchdowns.. -he can go in the middle and catch it in traffic, he can outrun people, he can do it all.. I know, he was integral in my franchise, "The Tim Tebow Experiment" and in one game he had 4 TD's over 400yds receiving.. -that's when my eyes were truly opened to position-specific ratings case 2: DE Landon Jones (I picked him 10th overall in my Redskins chise), he's an A-potential player with low 80s ovr but his production on the field is horrible.. he's pretty much a non-factor on the defensive line.. (I can see why too because he has amazing finesse/speed/pass rusher attributes but his BSH is in the 70s which means he can't get off the blocks to utilize his superior talent) -similar draft, I picked up a Dlineman with 99STR and 99BSH (Block Shedding), Cpotential and low 70s ovr... however during games, whenever he gets subb'd in or starts for injured players.. he is ALWAYS a force.. tackling, forcing fumbles, sacks, you name it he does it so yea.. you have to have a keen eye and sometimes ovr ratings aren't the end-all-be-all.. you really have to build your team, imnho

09-08-2010, 01:35 PM	#4
GreenReign86 Banned OVR: 22 Join Date: Apr 2010 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Overall Rating vs. Individual Attributes Actually, look at a player like Colt McCoy. He has the 3rd highest overall on the Browns amungst QB's. Yet he is by far the best Madden QB on the Browns. He has 80's in both SAC, and MAC, and I believe 70's for DAC. Whereas, Wallace who is rated 3 points higher has 60's in all 3. And Delhome has 70's. Awareness is totally pointless for QB's, so I don't even look at that. The only ratings I look at for QB's are THP, and the accuracy ratings, and speed is the tie breaker. For me in determining who is the better player, I look at position spacific ratings. For instance, for WR; RTR, CIT, CTH, SPD, ACC, RLS. For slot WR's I only look at CIT, RLS, RTR, and ACC. Some indevidual ratings help determine certain specialists, such as, trucking would be the #1 key for a short yardage back. You really have to look at the position spacific ratings when determining who to start. A 75 OVR CB with 82 MCV, and 85 ZCV, is better then a 80 OVR CB with 76 MCV, and 75 ZCV. Last edited by GreenReign86; 09-08-2010 at 01:37 PM.

09-08-2010, 01:42 PM	#6
GreenReign86 Banned OVR: 22 Join Date: Apr 2010 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Overall Rating vs. Individual Attributes I'd still take Calvin Johnson over Brandon Marshall, or any other WR in the game. 6'-5" with 95 speed, and great position spacific ratings to boot.

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09-08-2010, 12:12 PM	#1
ripham23232 Rookie OVR: 2 Join Date: Mar 2009	Overall Rating vs. Individual Attributes As long as I have been playing sports games (mid-90's) I was always under the impression the higher rated overall player was the better player. In the past few years or so, I see people are talking more and more about looking at individual attributes and completely ignoring the overall rating. I can't seem to understand this concept. For example: Quarterbacks. Supposedly ignoring overall rating, and looking at awareness, throw power, and throw accuracy should tell you who the better player is. But shouldn't the player who has the higher ratings here also have the higher overall rating?

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