Is Peter Moore responsible for the lack of Offline innovation?

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Reejer

Silly me, I thought that posting on these forums for the past half decade, our input was at least being considered by the Development team, but I see now that it has been a false sense of control.

Funny - I see you joined less than a year ago. Were you previously banned?

[Reejer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Funny - I see you joined less than a year ago. Were you previously banned?

Nope I have never been banned from any forums, I was referring to both, the EA and OS boards.

I primarily joined the OS forums because this is where I could read/respond to the Dev. Team, and I was tired of the incessant "Madden sucks" posts without constructive critiques over at EA.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

Most other years, you'll have to get in where you fit in, including customizing the game to fit your needs.

Except it's hard to do this when the only thing you can change is some neblous sliders that aren't documented as to what they do but the names of the sliders themselves didn't (in M10) impact what the name would suggest, such as run blocking didn't make it "better" (i.e. how long the block hold) in so much as it determined how far away players are "sucked" into the blocking animation or pass accuracy made as many INTs (because somehow it let defenders react better) instead of just more plain Jamarcus Russel-no-one-could-catch-that-unless-they-were-superman inaccurate passes.

Heck, we can't even customize the player ratings during franchise to further facilitate this.

If Madden had the customization of say OOTP where you can change any rating and the actual guts of the sim engine at any time, then I'd be more than happen to "customize" as long as the base game has some semblance of realism. But you can't.

I tried like heck to get the game to produce NFL stats using numbers from football reference and profootball focus, and it just wasn't happening. We need to be able to change the actual probabilities/ratings interactions - again like you can in OOTP.

[bg79]

I think EA has certainly lost it's luster it once had with me as the premier sports gaming publisher. I used to see EA and assume that the game is quality and often try it based on that alone. Now I see EA and it actually makes me refrain from purchasing the product unless I can be convinced that the game is actually very good. I bought Madden 10 when it came out and I enjoyed it but I really noticed how the franchise mode had so many broken or unfinished options. It really was lacking in so many areas. I remember looking in these forums last year to see what was in store for Madden 11 only to hear they were doing absolutely nothing with Franchise, so I didnt purchase the game. I was a big EA NHL fan. I used to buy them all the time in the 90's and I bought 08, 09, and 10. NHL 10 was lauded as having a huge reworking of the franchise mode and naming it be a gm. Since that is my primary mode when I play sports games I was really psyched and couldnt wait. I bought the game the day it came out and played it for a few days and then shelved it. It was basically NHL09 with some gimicky blackberry with the same ******** trade AI, horredously pointless scouting system and draft, and stupid things like only given a small few day window to re-sign your players. Online basically consisted of players going for a toe drag glitch goal non-stop. There was no semblance of actual hockey but more of who could perfect the glitch move like it was a move in street fighter. I didnt realize most of the blame for this direction in games goes to this one man but I basically hate what he has done to the name. This crap where they are putting less and less into the actual product while nickel and diming you with downloadable content needs to stop. If they're going to do this then they need to drop the damn 59.99 price point that they all seem to love because all we're getting as consumers is less and less for our money each year as we're essentially buying 60 dollar roster upgrades.

[MJenness]

Quote: Originally Posted by bg79

I think EA has certainly lost it's luster it once had with me as the premier sports gaming publisher. I used to see EA and assume that the game is quality and often try it based on that alone. Now I see EA and it actually makes me refrain from purchasing the product unless I can be convinced that the game is actually very good. I bought Madden 10 when it came out and I enjoyed it but I really noticed how the franchise mode had so many broken or unfinished options. It really was lacking in so many areas. I remember looking in these forums last year to see what was in store for Madden 11 only to hear they were doing absolutely nothing with Franchise, so I didnt purchase the game. I was a big EA NHL fan. I used to buy them all the time in the 90's and I bought 08, 09, and 10. NHL 10 was lauded as having a huge reworking of the franchise mode and naming it be a gm. Since that is my primary mode when I play sports games I was really psyched and couldnt wait. I bought the game the day it came out and played it for a few days and then shelved it. It was basically NHL09 with some gimicky blackberry with the same ******** trade AI, horredously pointless scouting system and draft, and stupid things like only given a small few day window to re-sign your players. Online basically consisted of players going for a toe drag glitch goal non-stop. There was no semblance of actual hockey but more of who could perfect the glitch move like it was a move in street fighter. I didnt realize most of the blame for this direction in games goes to this one man but I basically hate what he has done to the name. This crap where they are putting less and less into the actual product while nickel and diming you with downloadable content needs to stop. If they're going to do this then they need to drop the damn 59.99 price point that they all seem to love because all we're getting as consumers is less and less for our money each year as we're essentially buying 60 dollar roster upgrades.

VERY well said!!

I am an old-time gamer. I have been playing video games since the time we had to TYPE OUR OWN CODE (which you puchased in books) and saves were done to cassette tape.

Needless to say, I have played a LOT of Madden and EA games in general over the years...so for those of you who've called me a "*****", you're just wrong.

My "hatred" isn't hatred at all...it is simply frustration with a company I once held in high esteem, that has done everything possible to lose my confidence in them, as well as my business.

I've stopped buying the hype...stopped drinking the kool-aid, and come to expect almost NOTHING from what was once a really good franchise.

These "teasers trailers" are lame, IMHO. I could take the ugliest woman in the world, show you a lovely pic of her nipple, and have you begging to see more, drooling all over yourself.

Then when I finally show you all of her, you're gonna' flame to me death, because I have teased and misled you...you're gonna' stop believing the hype next time I try to repeat this process.

I know, someone will say why that's a bad analogy. But I just WISH EA would stop with the bullcrap and FIX THE DAMN GAME already (and if you read my other posts, you'll see what I feel is "broken"), and SHOW us how they're fixing it, point blank. The trust is gone.

Like I said, I'm done drinking the kool-aid. It's bitter and gives me the runs anymore.

[bwburke94]

I've given up on EA. They've stolen my money for 8 years now.

[ThisIsReality]

Peter Moore just needs to realize that gimmicks sell only for a short period of time then you reach a plateau then the fall is inevitable. And it's showing with the dropping of sales for Madden. (By the way, I hate mentioning sales with the quality of games since Call of Duty: Black Ops sold more than any CoD game but is complained to DEATH on YouTube and online communities.)

[Reejer]

Quote: Originally Posted by bg79

If they're going to do this then they need to drop the damn 59.99 price point that they all seem to love because all we're getting as consumers is less and less for our money each year as we're essentially buying 60 dollar roster upgrades.

I agree that the lack of innovation really doesn't earn the $60 price tag. I would go along with a subscription fee is if it was a free game download with a $5.00 monthly fee. Because I would have paid about $25 for the amount of time that I have played all of the PS3 versions combined. Instead of the $250+ that I have wasted on "next-gen" titles (only to play them for about a week or two), and ending up sticking in my M-06' PS2 to enjoy Madden again.

Quote: Originally Posted by MJenness

I am an old-time gamer. I have been playing video games since the time we had to TYPE OUR OWN CODE (which you puchased in books) and saves were done to cassette tape. My "hatred" isn't hatred at all...it is simply frustration with a company I once held in high esteem, that has done everything possible to lose my confidence in them, as well as my business.

I remember the good old days when you could program your own games. I loved sitting behind my Commodore Vic-20, plugging away at either my own code, or code from a programmers guide book, but the cassette tape drive was dreadfully slow.

You are not alone in the ranks of the Army of Frustrated Old School Madden Gamers (I tried to make a catchy acronym but all I came up with was AFrOSMaG). But hopefully the Dev. Team will make great strides in bringing us what we have been screaming for years to get. I hope that they can bring me and the rest of the Army back into the Madden fold for M-12'.