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Old 08-08-2011, 12:35 PM   #145
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Re: Madden NFL 12 Ratings - Top 6 Wide Receivers

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Drop percentage is drops/catchable balls (meaning it excludes the balls that are inaccurate), which is why Larry Fitzgerald's catch percentage is low but his drop percentage is good.

DeSean Jackson has both one of the worst catch percentages in the league and the worst drop percentage in the league (and the only player that drops over 20% of catchable passes last year).

Over the past 3 seasons, it was only slightly better, as he was still in the bottom 5 with the likes of Braylon Edwards, Randy Moss, and Terrell Owens.

Are they good WRs? Absolutely (and I think Moss and T.O. are HOF bound). But regardless, all four of those guys are known for not having the best hands (although when Moss actually tries, they're pretty good).

But if you think it was just because Vick is an inaccurate passer (which as I said, drop percentage is only drops/catchable passes), here's the other Philly receivers who should have pretty bad catch percentages as well if Vick was the problem.

Maclin: 61%
Avant: 68%
Cooper: 39% (but only 19 passes thrown to him)
Jackson: 49% (on nearly 100 passes)

According to DVAR (an advanced stat that figures out yards over replacement adjusted for the defense), Jackson is rated behind both Maclin and Avant, and finds himself ranked 45th in the league, just after Jabar Gaffney. According to DVOA (adjusted value over average), Jackson ranks 3rd on the team again, and finds himself ranked 44th in the league.

Last year, ranking the guys that went deep the highest percentage of their catches, Jackson ranks 9th. Of the 8 guys above him, he had a higher catch percentage than 2 (Lee Evans and Malcolm Floyd). Steve Breaston went deep .5% less, and had probably the most inaccurate QBs in the league last year (no way to really prove this, but come on, they were god awful), and even he had a 54% catch percentage.

So again, is DeSean a good WR? Absolutely. If you rank the WRs by win probablility added, Jackson ranks 5th. If you rank them by expected points added, Jackson ranks 10th. But is he a top 5 WR? There's no chance in hell, and I think it's debateable at best that he's a top 10 WR. He's already getting targeted over 100 times per season easily if he stays healthy, so there's really no reason to expect him to put up much better numbers than he currently is (unless he improves his route running or his hands), and his numbers are good, not great.

And for what it's worth, last year, Mike Wallace beat DeSean in just about every single statistic.
I'm done arguing. Jackson doesn't have suspect hands nor is his route running suspect. It's funny that you keep ignoring the fact that Desean isn't among the league leaders in drops, just drop %.

Do you have access to coaches tape or something? That's the only way you could actually analyze Jackson's route running.

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Old 08-08-2011, 12:39 PM   #146
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calvin johnson is the second best receiver on this list behind aj.! period.!
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:14 PM   #147
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I'm done arguing. Jackson doesn't have suspect hands nor is his route running suspect. It's funny that you keep ignoring the fact that Desean isn't among the league leaders in drops, just drop %.

Do you have access to coaches tape or something? That's the only way you could actually analyze Jackson's route running.
Please point out where I say he's a bad or suspect route runner. All I say is the only way his stats will get better is if he catches the ball more and if he runs better routes. That's a fact. He's already getting over 100 targets per year easily. That's as much as you can ask for as a WR. Jackson dropped somewhere between 8-10 passes last year depending on your definition of a drop, which again, is among the league leaders last year. PFF says he dropped it 12 times. I disagree. But it's definitely in the 8-10 range, which still puts him near the worst in the league in both drops and drop percentage. You obviously have some sort of crush on DeSean Jackson dude. Everyone has favorite players and everyone believes their favorite is better than he is. It's alright. Jackson is an excellent home run threat, an excellent punt returner, and a good wide receiver. That's a pretty damn good player. But the fact of the matter is that his hands are pretty suspect, and he doesn't do much over the middle of the field like most of the other top WRs in the NFL.
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:17 AM   #148
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And clearly, Mike & Mike are the definitive source for football knowledge.

I'm not saying I disagree, I'm just saying that "because Mike & Mike said so" is a laughable reason.


You can just click the Edit button on the post and fix it that way.
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