Would a Long Snapper rating really matter?

[KBLover]

Isn't there already a LS rating that's determined...somehow (In the depth chart)?

Would be great to see that plus AWR tie into the accuracy of a snap in punts, FGs/PATs and in shotgun - anything aside from the under-center exchange.

[azdawgpound]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

Isn't there already a LS rating that's determined...somehow (In the depth chart)? Would be great to see that plus AWR tie into the accuracy of a snap in punts, FGs/PATs and in shotgun - anything aside from the under-center exchange.

nope theres a postion but u can put just about anybody there.

[NorrinRadd12]

It shouldn't even be about "botched" snaps. If the snap is a little high, low, or wide it throws off the timing of the kicker.

[LambertandHam]

Quote: Originally Posted by Aftershock9958

Being a Cowboys fan I have a unique perspective on how important this is. I spent years gritting my teeth before every shotgun snap with Gurode at center, meanwhile we have LP LaDouceur as our LS (and nothing but that) and our ST snaps are always perfect. I would like to see things like bad snaps (even just from under center) once in a while.

At least you didn't have James Harrison as a long snapper

[DUDERMAN]

Quote: Originally Posted by azdawgpound

nope theres a postion but u can put just about anybody there.

As long as they are an offensive lineman or tight end. Yet, with the inclusion of long snappers last year, they decided to make some linebackers or defensive lineman... making them unable to be selected for LS.

[GoodImmigrant]

I'm talking exclusively about Special Teams, punts and FG (Long Snaps). The problem I see with having a Long Snapping rating is that it would be hard to differentiate the long snappers when it comes to assigning a rating, every team would have a Long Snapper in the +90s. Bad long snaps are not seen often enough to warrant any of the 32 starting Long Snappers in the league having a low rating.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by GoodImmigrant

I'm talking exclusively about Special Teams, punts and FG (Long Snaps). The problem I see with having a Long Snapping rating is that it would be hard to differentiate the long snappers when it comes to assigning a rating, every team would have a Long Snapper in the +90s. Bad long snaps are not seen often enough to warrant any of the 32 starting Long Snappers in the league having a low rating.

"Low" can be relative, not just absolute.

Most fielders in baseball make the play over 95% of the time. Heck, a .930 FPct, 93% success, is considered questionable. Yet fielders have "low" and "high" ratings.

So if the rating even simply meant % of perfect snaps, 95 could be low since 19 out of 20 snaps successful would be 3 bad snaps a game (assuming 60 plays run), which is probably horrible.

So even if everyone has 90+, there can still be a difference that's significant, even if all of them have "high ratings".

Plus, even if you want to do it the "regular" way, it could still work. 70 could be average and still succeed in the vast majority of situations. Anything lower than that would really stand out because of how often it would fail. Maybe a 60 guy would struggle if the ball is wet, etc.

Lots of ways to go with it, imo.

And, yeah, it doesn't have to be 100% perfect or complete failure. Somewhat off-target can be enough to impact accuracy of a FG or "delay" the punter from going into his punting motion to give that much more chance of a block or a rushed punt, lowering effectiveness.

[Big FN Deal]

You know, I was just reading over this thread and a simple way to address the issue of player miscues like fumbled snaps, off target long snaps, mishandled hands offs and even penalties is a composure trait in DPP, imo.

Illy mentioned in another thread about having a penalty rating, which I think was a good idea but it might be easier to branch all this stuff under a Composure trait tied to position AWR. That way a 57OVR OL with 60AWR at LT could still have 80AWR at LS, making them capable of the job. However, a 90OVR OL with 90AWR at LT could have 60AWR at LS and struggle.

Now the reason I think this would be most effective tied in with a Composure trait in DPP is that, I think the different pressure situations on the field, during the game should affect it.