Madden 13 Graphics downgrade?

[hyacinth1]

on M12 the graphics look better on XB than PS3. Not sure about M13. But XB VS XB, overall M12 looks better but the player detail is better on M13.

[Sotendo]

Quote: Originally Posted by DetroitStyle

The graphics most likely have NOT been downgraded in real terms. However, the HDR lighting and motion blur has probably contributed to the illusion of poorer graphics or washed out color pallets.

Nah, I just hate the player models.

[wheelman990]

Here is the Madden 13 truth. I have spent a lot of time comparing 12 vs 13, and 360 vs ps3

-Madden 12 has better lighting
-Madden 12 has better color
-Madden 13 grass would be better, but they used a light neon like colored green for the grass. needs darker greens
-Madden 12 on zoom cam kills madden 13's graphics with any cam
-Madden 13 IMO is better on standard cam, because Madden 12 standard cam is very jaggie and very far away
-The PS3 version is clearer then the 360 version on Madden 13, but at the cost of jaggies. The 360 has nearly no jaggies at all, but has a super soft picture that is near blurry looking. I think the PS3 has better color, but that is debatable and may just be soft picture related.
-Madden 12 has better in game replay cameras. both have nice looking cut scenes between plays, pre game, etc

If you play on zoom cam, madden 12 destroys Madden 13. If you play on standard cam, I'd go madden 13. If you like a clear looking, non soft picture, go ps3(with jaggies though), if you don't mind a soft picture that blurs detail, go 360(with very little jaggies cause of the soft picture)

[Moegames]

Its a mix bag in terms of visuals with M13 compared to previous madden games. I honestly like madden 13's graphics quite well though but the stadium lighting has definitely been better in the past..same with certain area's of player models...there was far less jaggies in the earlier madden's of this current generation but on the flip side...madden 13 is doing some more sophisticated effects than ever before..but you really gotta have some knowledge in order to understand what i mean... like HDR lighting really helps this year with a lot of things concerning visuals, they use a lot more normal/specular mapping in the uniforms too this year too which i really love which past madden's didnt use as much i dont think, self-shadowing is done better this year too imho...another thing is the color pallet used this year seems stronger and more vibrant but that can easily be because of the HDR lighting which i believe it is. HDR lighting seems to bring out the darker colors out more to the point they are more vibrant..which in madden this year are the best yet this generation..again..thanks to HDR lighting.

A lot of people will have their opinion like i do..but like i said..if you dont have an understanding of what kind of techniques are being used..you may not fully appreciate what you are seeing. While you may not like the look of the game..the next guy may absolutely love it because they see some of their favorite graphically effects being used... i am what you call a pure graphics whore lol...i am always hanging out here at http://forum.beyond3d.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15 If you want to really learn about graphic effects being used in today's games and future games or spec's in consoles and future consoles...start hanging out there and you will begin to look at games in a different aspect visually.

The grass looks a lot better this year but one thing that baffles me is this 3D grass they use in close shots then at a certain point down the field its flat and you see no blades of grass...to me that makes things look worse than it needs to be...just forget the 3D grass this year and go take Fifa 13's grass textures and call it a generation...seriously Fifa 13's grass looks freaking great and its 2D..its flat but looks vibrant and lovely. Go play Fifa 13's demo and tell me that grass dont blow away Madden 13's grass... I just never understood the need to use a 10 yard radius in 3D grass and after that 10 yard point it goes to 2D..it sticks out like a sore thumb and really doesnt help the look of it.....just use Fifa 13's grass textures...it looks awesome.

Overall though..like at the end of each generation of a consoles life cycle...i love this time of a consoles life cycle because developers start finding ways..even "software" work-around's to enhance visuals..you can only tap the metal of the hardware so much during the end of the life cycle of a generation of a console then you start to see some really impressive work-arounds and great uses of tricks,etc to enhance visuals. Look at Crysis 2 on xbox 360 or Forza 4 for examples...those games look phenomenal in terms of visuals and you can clearly see developers doing all sorts of tricks and work-arounds to mimic hardware effects via software techniques instead. Madden really should look better than it does right now..but its still not a ugly game by no means.

I am ok with how madden 13 looks..in fact its one of the better looking madden's this generation...probably imho..it would be the best looking madden this generation if it werent for the jaggies that really stick out more than other years...if we forget the jaggies...i love the HDR lighting, i dig the motion blur although the Motion blur could of been used better imho. I think the dummy doll sideline players look a tad better too and the crowds look just a tad better too.

I honestly think it all goes back to this engine they rushed to develop to get that first madden out for the first madden game on xbox 360....i think the engine was rushed or the dev kits that they were given to create their engine was half-a$$ed and the after affect of it created a not so optimized engine. I mean look at Fifa 13's graphics..they sparkle and shine to a noticeable degree more than Madden 13 or NCAA and there is no excuse about it being a smaller stadium or less players because there are more in fifa.

I am ok with it though..its not ugly, it looks pretty darn good imho...i am just tired of this generation..they milked the hell out of these consoles this generation..its time we move on to new hardware...and thats the bottom line.

[lon515]

Quote: Originally Posted by wheelman990

Here is the Madden 13 truth. I have spent a lot of time comparing 12 vs 13, and 360 vs ps3 -Madden 12 has better lighting -Madden 12 has better color -Madden 13 grass would be better, but they used a light neon like colored green for the grass. needs darker greens -Madden 12 on zoom cam kills madden 13's graphics with any cam -Madden 13 IMO is better on standard cam, because Madden 12 standard cam is very jaggie and very far away -The PS3 version is clearer then the 360 version on Madden 13, but at the cost of jaggies. The 360 has nearly no jaggies at all, but has a super soft picture that is near blurry looking. I think the PS3 has better color, but that is debatable and may just be soft picture related. -Madden 12 has better in game replay cameras. both have nice looking cut scenes between plays, pre game, etc If you play on zoom cam, madden 12 destroys Madden 13. If you play on standard cam, I'd go madden 13. If you like a clear looking, non soft picture, go ps3(with jaggies though), if you don't mind a soft picture that blurs detail, go 360(with very little jaggies cause of the soft picture)

i put madden 12 in my xbox after finishing my last ccm game and. the grass looks faker and weird looking the colors look darker and the field seem dark all together it never looked like this before madden 13 was such an improvement in the department it makes it unbearable... HAVE NOT IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

played on 70 in lg plasma with hdmi cord

[wheelman990]

Quote: Originally Posted by lon515

i put madden 12 in my xbox after finishing my last ccm game and. the grass looks faker and weird looking the colors look darker and the field seem dark all together it never looked like this before madden 13 was such an improvement in the department it makes it unbearable... HAVE NOT IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT played on 70 in lg plasma with hdmi cord

LOL. I'm not even gonna comment. Waste of my time.

[FinnZzgo]

Im a true diehard cowboys fan and the helmets look alot better in madden 12 than madden 13. they look gray not silver in madden 13, 12 the silver metallic looks great!!!

[DickDalewood]

Granted, this is all opinion anyway, but I pretty much disagree completely... lighting, grass, colors... everything looks better and more realistic this year IMO.