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Old 12-12-2012, 02:49 AM   #25
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Re: Why cant you trade Peyton manning?

I tried trading MJD to the Jets for Tebow and a 2nd, they said no. Than Tebow and a 5th, no. Than for Tebow and Bilal Powell, no. Than just Tebow, no. Explain that one -___-
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:48 AM   #26
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What are you talking about? Haynesworth had nothing to do with McNabb. Haynesworth never played for the Eagles, he was signed as a UFA in the season before the McNabb trade.

This "No one would consider trading for that contract" thing is goofy because several teams were falling all over themselves to pay him that money 6 months ago. And that was before he put up MVP caliber numbers this season and proved his neck was healed.
Haynesworth was signed by the Redskins to a large contract and during the trade discussions he was considered a piece. Go check the facts, they're there if you dig for them. Originally, the Redskins were looking to shuffle LaRon Landry and Albert Haynesworth to the Eagles for McNabb. The Eagles declined that offer in favor of an offer that gave them future draft picks (and one where they didn't have to absorb Haynesworth's $100 million/7 year contract).

Also, several teams were falling all over themselves to pay him some amount of money. The best contact offer and situation for Manning was clearly in Denver. No one else could have matched the offer Denver gave him so saying that other teams would have given Manning the same contract is goofy.

You can't assume to know that every other team gunning for Manning in the offseason were willing to offer him a 5 year $96 million dollar contract. Also, the way the contract is structured is critical. The $22 million dollar guaranteed second year would throw every team in the NFL over the salary cap (outside of Denver). There's so much here you're not considering. Signing a free agent is an entirely different game than trading for a player signed to a massive contract.

So I say to you, sir, what are you talking about?

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Old 12-12-2012, 10:34 AM   #27
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Haynesworth was signed by the Redskins to a large contract and during the trade discussions he was considered a piece. Go check the facts, they're there if you dig for them. Originally, the Redskins were looking to shuffle LaRon Landry and Albert Haynesworth to the Eagles for McNabb. The Eagles declined that offer in favor of an offer that gave them future draft picks (and one where they didn't have to absorb Haynesworth's $100 million/7 year contract).
So why bring it up? Who cares about trades that didn't happen?

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Also, several teams were falling all over themselves to pay him some amount of money. The best contact offer and situation for Manning was clearly in Denver. No one else could have matched the offer Denver gave him so saying that other teams would have given Manning the same contract is goofy.
Or course other teams could have. There were several teams with as much or even more cap room then Denver (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports...12-season.html) including Tennessee and San Francisco, both of whom were major players.

Remember, teams weren't dropping out of the bidding because he was too expensive. Manning went to Denver because he chose Denver. Tennessee, San Fran, Miami, Seattle, and Arizona were all chasing him, and they all knew what they were getting into. You think all of those teams expected Peyton Manning to play for $5 million a year and would have been SHOCKED to learn that he thought he was worth nearly 20?

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Also, the way the contract is structured is critical. The $22 million dollar guaranteed second year would throw every team in the NFL over the salary cap (outside of Denver).
Except it wouldn't, as I showed you with the link. Besides, had any of those other teams signed Manning, they would have made their other roster moves accordingly to clear up that cap space. Also note that his second year only activates if his neck passes a physical (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...ars-96-million).

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There's so much here you're not considering. Signing a free agent is an entirely different game than trading for a player signed to a massive contract.
What you're not considering is that Manning is a Top 5 QB of all time who is playing lights out football. He makes any team into a playoff contender instantly because he covers for so many weaknesses. If you think a team like Tennessee would pass on him so they can give that money to Kamerion Wimbley, then what are YOU thinking? Teams would fall all over themselves to give Manning that money (As they did). If he was on the trade block, he'd easily fetch a McNabb deal and probably more.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:12 PM   #28
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So why bring it up? Who cares about trades that didn't happen?
You brought up the McNabb trade in the first place. It would be irresponsible not to detail all the possibilities of that trade and present it as though there wasn't a great deal of back and forth between the organizations in order to get this thing done. Also, it serves to show an example of a trade a team was unwilling to make due to massive contractual obligations.


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Or course other teams could have. There were several teams with as much or even more cap room then Denver (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports...12-season.html) including Tennessee and San Francisco, both of whom were major players.

Remember, teams weren't dropping out of the bidding because he was too expensive. Manning went to Denver because he chose Denver. Tennessee, San Fran, Miami, Seattle, and Arizona were all chasing him, and they all knew what they were getting into. You think all of those teams expected Peyton Manning to play for $5 million a year and would have been SHOCKED to learn that he thought he was worth nearly 20?
Denver was originally offering a 5 year, $90 million dollar contract to Manning. You're focusing too much on hyperbole again. None of those teams were about to offer something as pitiful as $5 million per year. Most likely, they were in the range of $14-16 million per year, not necessarily guaranteed money, and not structured the way Manning wanted. Manning even got Denver to up the ante another $6 million on top of what was originally offered. Again, you're assuming that all these deals were offering as much money (and as much guaranteed money) as Denver's offer. It's not just a salary cap issue, it's not just a contract issue, both are in play here.

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Except it wouldn't, as I showed you with the link. Besides, had any of those other teams signed Manning, they would have made their other roster moves accordingly to clear up that cap space. Also note that his second year only activates if his neck passes a physical (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...ars-96-million).
That's fair, in regards to SIGNING A FREE AGENT. Also, those are projections from last year. Here are more recent reports on teams' salary cap space - http://"http://www.nfl.com/news/stor...-32-nfl-teams". The only team that would be able to cover Manning's $22 million dollar second year (he's passing that physical) is Jacksonville based on current cap space. Again, you're looking at it like you're signing a free agent. Trading for that contract is vastly different. Of course, over the next season, some teams could dump a few contracts to clear up space, but you can't know who is really in position or willing to do so.

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What you're not considering is that Manning is a Top 5 QB of all time who is playing lights out football. He makes any team into a playoff contender instantly because he covers for so many weaknesses. If you think a team like Tennessee would pass on him so they can give that money to Kamerion Wimbley, then what are YOU thinking? Teams would fall all over themselves to give Manning that money (As they did). If he was on the trade block, he'd easily fetch a McNabb deal and probably more.
Manning is a top 5 QB of all time, yes, but given the current landscape of the NFL, it just doesn't make sense at this time.

Maybe after that second year, some teams would be willing to make a trade offer for Manning, but right now? Probably not.

Look, I'm not trying to bash you or anything. You make some good points, but the way I see it, Denver wouldn't be willing to entertain trade offers for Manning, and Manning himself already denied the teams who had the space to sign him. Therefore, a trade for Manning at this point, would be entirely unrealistic.

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