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Old 03-03-2014, 04:58 AM   #1
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Which stat increases a RB's ability to break tackles?

I've been trying to pinpoint this for awhile now. I find it a little more important now than it originally was, since that update where they toned down Trucking (Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jacobs up the middle were gods).

I'm not sure that the Trucking stat comes into play when you're not actively using the Truck Stick ability. It potentially could, but I think it would be foolish to simply assume that.

One stat that I suspect factors into the equation for tackle breaking is Strength. The one source I've read that gave a blurb about what Strength was used for stated one of it's purposes is determining how long a block is held. However, there wouldn't seem to be much of a purpose to giving Ben Roethlisberger and Cam Newton (two quarterbacks known for being hard to take to the ground) a significantly higher STR stat than other QBs if all it did was affect those player's ability to hold blocks...

Elusiveness may be the other half of this equation, but I'm not really sure what is does. When I think of elusive, I think of RBs like Jahvid Best and Darren Sproles, not Peyton Hillis (and I believe the stats support this, as Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jacobs both have a low elusiveness rating [in the 50s or 60s], compared to other RBs).

I suspect that elusiveness may factor into the success rate of spin and juke moves, much like Trucking does for impact hits when using the Truck Stick. It could be a partial factor in normal tackle-breaking, but I'm just not sure. I know Marshawn Lynch has a pretty solid elusiveness rating, not sure about other RBs that I've found hard to tackle like MJD, Arian Foster, and Adrian Peterson.

Anyone have any info they can share on this subject?
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Re: Which stat increases a RB's ability to break tackles?

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I've been trying to pinpoint this for awhile now. I find it a little more important now than it originally was, since that update where they toned down Trucking (Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jacobs up the middle were gods).

I'm not sure that the Trucking stat comes into play when you're not actively using the Truck Stick ability. It potentially could, but I think it would be foolish to simply assume that.

One stat that I suspect factors into the equation for tackle breaking is Strength. The one source I've read that gave a blurb about what Strength was used for stated one of it's purposes is determining how long a block is held. However, there wouldn't seem to be much of a purpose to giving Ben Roethlisberger and Cam Newton (two quarterbacks known for being hard to take to the ground) a significantly higher STR stat than other QBs if all it did was affect those player's ability to hold blocks...

Elusiveness may be the other half of this equation, but I'm not really sure what is does. When I think of elusive, I think of RBs like Jahvid Best and Darren Sproles, not Peyton Hillis (and I believe the stats support this, as Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jacobs both have a low elusiveness rating [in the 50s or 60s], compared to other RBs).

I suspect that elusiveness may factor into the success rate of spin and juke moves, much like Trucking does for impact hits when using the Truck Stick. It could be a partial factor in normal tackle-breaking, but I'm just not sure. I know Marshawn Lynch has a pretty solid elusiveness rating, not sure about other RBs that I've found hard to tackle like MJD, Arian Foster, and Adrian Peterson.

Anyone have any info they can share on this subject?
TRK is the ability to break a tackle by running over/through a defender.

ELU is the ability to break a tackle by running around/past a defender by getting them out of position.

I cannot comment on the STR attribute's affect.
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Re: Which stat increases a RB's ability to break tackles?

All information I have gathered (which some of it could be inaccurate)but elusiveness and trucking seem strictly for the type of break tackle animation you get and a higher number may have an effect on how much you break. So if you have a high trucking you will get more bull dozer btk and elusiveness will give you more of the bouncing off btks. If they are both high then a formula can take over and you will get either.

I would have to think str has an effect.. A good way to test would be to take lynch and lower strength to 0 and go to practice and run a good amount of plays and then do the same at 100.
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Re: Which stat increases a RB's ability to break tackles?

I would really love to know the answer to this. I would think TRK, ELU, and STG have to be the major factors in this
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Re: Which stat increases a RB's ability to break tackles?

From what I've been able to gather. The running backs ability to break tackles stems from 7 different stats all taken into account. These stats are.....

Elusiveness
Trucking
Strength
Agility
Juke
Spin
Stiff Arm

The two major categories are of course trucking and elusiveness. I believe this is how they effect eachother.

Trucking:
This along with strength dictate how often the truck stick will work. Also stiff arm + strength + trucking = how effective your running back is in break out of a tackle when stiff arming rather than falling after gaining a few extra yards.

Elusiveness:
Agility is elusiveness biggest defining factor in how likely a running back is to break away from a tackler. Juke/Spin + Agility + elusiveness = how likely a running back is to make a successive maneuver out of a tackle when making these moves.

As I've heard it explained every animation/outcome is basically just a dice roll that has modifiers placed on it that takes the number of each of these stats + difficulty + Sliders + traits + momentum and comes up with an outcome. This is why you can sometimes get a player with extremely low trucking and strength but will run over high rated players and vice versa but it's a rare occurrence.

This is what I have come to understand from a mixture of official statements made, conclusions from other players, and things that I have seen/experienced myself. So this isn't fact but it's as close as I've come to understand it.
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Re: Which stat increases a RB's ability to break tackles?

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I've been trying to pinpoint this for awhile now. I'm not sure that the Trucking stat comes into play when you're not actively using the Truck Stick ability.
Sure it does. Play in coach mode where there is no user input and you will runners with high TRK run over people.

I doubt whether STR has any effect.
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Pretty sure the CPU can simulate both the Truck and Hit Stick moves.
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Sure it does. Play in coach mode where there is no user input and you will runners with high TRK run over people.

I doubt whether STR has any effect.
Actually strength does play apart of the ability to truck a defender.

I have edited rosters with WR's and RB's with low strength ratings and high truck ratings and because of their low strength they very rarely truck/run over anyone.

In fact there are some Big Backs who don't have great strength and they go down rather easily upon contact.

You can also utilize the fight for extra yards trait if your looking for RB's or Big Physical WR's to break more tackles.

But IMO after years of editing Classic rosters i think the break tackle animations are way too arcade in Madden so id' rather make things look more realistic on the field keep the truck ratings and strength ratings pretty low accross the boards unless i'm rating someone like Earl Campbell or John Riggins.

Way too many players in Madden despite size is able to just lay someone out on the field just by using the truck ratings.
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