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  • R0M0mentum09
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    • Sep 2010
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    #1

    The truth about Dez Bryant!

    I keep seeing all these Bucs fans complaining about Dez's speed and how Mike Williams is SOO much better. . . I'm here to tell you that sure, statistically Mike Williams is the better receiver right now. He may have ran a faster 40 yada yada yada which you think says "He's faster". Dez is electrifying, he's a gamebreaker/playmaker. He's a physical freak at that and the sky is the limit for him. Mike Williams is a solid wide out, but I don't see him getting any better than he was last season? I think that he prematurely peaked, I think Dez has the ability to be MUCH better than Mike Williams.


    Dez showed the ability to physically outman/destroy opposing NFL cornerbacks. He's not the technician that Williams is (yet) but really doesn't have to be as his god given physical talent is just off the charts. Personally I think Dez's ratings are spot on (his route running and awareness suck, which is spot on) I do think Mike Williams should be rated 2 points ahead of Dez (85 OVR for Williams). Dez is faster than Mike Williams, he can jump higher than Williams. . . he is stronger than Williams and is more of a threat to take it to the endzone than Williams.

    One thing I see Bucs fans really complaining about is Dez's speed (94). . . Here's just a few reasons to not take his much discussed "4.57" 40 time seriously. . .

    1. Dez was suspended by the NCAA and missed almost a year of football and was really out of shape.

    2. Due to not being in shape, Dez tweaked his hamstring a bit and missed the NFL combine.

    3. Dez ran at OKst's pro day with his bum hamstring

    4. Dallas drafts him, he goes into training camp and (again) he's still out of shape and tweaks his ankle.

    5. Because of the ankle injury Dez is behind the curve (misses all of training camp and preseason).

    6. Goes out week 1 (very green) and tries his best, but lacks the knowledge (playbook etc.) to be successful.

    7. Shows big flashes week 3 and looks to have a promising future.

    8. Hurts his ankle against the Colts. . . out for the year.

    Dez ends the season with 12 games played 45 receptions, 561 yards, 6 receiving TDs, 21 1st downs, 2 Punt return TDs in only 15 attempts! (He also forced 2 fumbles lol)

    Dez accomplished so much with such little experience/time/knowledge. . . and he was just playing school yard ball (little knowledge of the playbook/system) and tearing up (and abusing) some NFL defenses! How can people say that with OTA's and an off season with Romo that Dez won't just blow up this year? If Dez was in the shape he's in now and ran a 40 he'd easily run a 4.35-4.4 thus deserving of his 94 speed (not to mention him burning people in games which people seem to think doesn't matter?)
  • Yeah...THAT Guy
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    #2
    Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

    I think that statistically speaking, the TD numbers is as good as it will get with Williams, but the receptions and yards have room to improve. People seem to forget that before Williams quit on the Orange, he was likely a 1st round pick. All around, he's a great young WR, with his one issue right now being that he seems to sometimes lose focus when making the catch, which leads to some drops. However, he has good size and athleticism for a WR, and runs good routes as well. Honestly, he was the one guy that I was praying Tampa would draft because I knew his stock was low because of the **** that happened at Syracuse, but he was an absolute monster there before he quit and he seems to have his head on straight now.

    Edit: And right now, Bryant is all about potential, whereas Williams already proved himself in his rookie season, so it's tough to really say they should be the same rating or really even close.
    Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 08-17-2011, 10:48 AM.
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    • PolkHigh33
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      • Jun 2010
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      #3
      Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

      That's a lot of text defending one guy .. does it really matter? In the end it's all opinion ..

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      • mrprice33
        Just some guy
        • Jul 2003
        • 5986

        #4
        Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

        Someone with a Cowboys avatar going to the carpet for Dez Bryant? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

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        • Gosens6
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          • Oct 2007
          • 6098

          #5
          Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

          This needed it's own thread? I watched mike Williams play in high school here in buffalo.. He was good then and he's good now. Guess what? Dez Bryant was good then and he's also good now. Who cares about ratings in a madden game. Both guys are good wideouts, both guys are gonna play good. If you don't agree with the ratings in madden you can always change them yourself

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          • biggiejerseys
            Pro
            • Feb 2008
            • 696

            #6
            Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

            One question, who gives a ****?!

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            • Vaporub83
              Rookie
              • Aug 2009
              • 399

              #7
              Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

              Originally posted by R0M0mentum09
              One thing I see Bucs fans really complaining about is Dez's speed (94). . . Here's just a few reasons to not take his much discussed "4.57" 40 time seriously. . .

              1. Dez was suspended by the NCAA and missed almost a year of football and was really out of shape. Mike Williams was suspended by Syracuse about 4 games into the year. If Dez can't be professional enough to work out on his own that is a Dez problem

              2. Due to not being in shape, Dez tweaked his hamstring a bit and missed the NFL combine.

              3. Dez ran at OKst's pro day with his bum hamstring He obviously thought he would be faster no one forced him to run. How many guys just lift when they have a tweaked hammy then during individual workouts they run

              4. Dallas drafts him, he goes into training camp and (again) he's still out of shape and tweaks his ankle. Potential aside this guy can't keep himself in shape that is unacceptable

              5. Because of the ankle injury Dez is behind the curve (misses all of training camp and preseason). Any coach will tell you, if you can't physically train you should be getting mental reps. He was somewhere no focused on his craft

              6. Goes out week 1 (very green) and tries his best, but lacks the knowledge (playbook etc.) to be successful. Williams goes out season 1 and almost gets 1000 receiving yards. One game means nothing as you said he didn't do much in the preseason. Therefore no tape on him.

              7. Shows big flashes week 3 and looks to have a promising future. Flashes don't equal promising future. Consistency is what the NFL is all about

              8. Hurts his ankle against the Colts. . . out for the year. Damn hurt again!

              Dez ends the season with 12 games played 45 receptions, 561 yards, 6 receiving TDs, 21 1st downs, 2 Punt return TDs in only 15 attempts!Mike 16 games 65 receptions, 964 yards, 11 TDs
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              • VaNc
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                • Aug 2011
                • 12

                #8
                Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

                Originally posted by R0M0mentum09
                I keep seeing all these Bucs fans complaining about Dez's speed and how Mike Williams is SOO much better. . . I'm here to tell you that sure, statistically Mike Williams is the better receiver right now. He may have ran a faster 40 yada yada yada which you think says "He's faster". Dez is electrifying, he's a gamebreaker/playmaker. He's a physical freak at that and the sky is the limit for him. Mike Williams is a solid wide out, but I don't see him getting any better than he was last season? I think that he prematurely peaked, I think Dez has the ability to be MUCH better than Mike Williams.


                Dez showed the ability to physically outman/destroy opposing NFL cornerbacks. He's not the technician that Williams is (yet) but really doesn't have to be as his god given physical talent is just off the charts. Personally I think Dez's ratings are spot on (his route running and awareness suck, which is spot on) I do think Mike Williams should be rated 2 points ahead of Dez (85 OVR for Williams). Dez is faster than Mike Williams, he can jump higher than Williams. . . he is stronger than Williams and is more of a threat to take it to the endzone than Williams.

                One thing I see Bucs fans really complaining about is Dez's speed (94). . . Here's just a few reasons to not take his much discussed "4.57" 40 time seriously. . .

                1. Dez was suspended by the NCAA and missed almost a year of football and was really out of shape.

                2. Due to not being in shape, Dez tweaked his hamstring a bit and missed the NFL combine.

                3. Dez ran at OKst's pro day with his bum hamstring

                4. Dallas drafts him, he goes into training camp and (again) he's still out of shape and tweaks his ankle.

                5. Because of the ankle injury Dez is behind the curve (misses all of training camp and preseason).

                6. Goes out week 1 (very green) and tries his best, but lacks the knowledge (playbook etc.) to be successful.

                7. Shows big flashes week 3 and looks to have a promising future.

                8. Hurts his ankle against the Colts. . . out for the year.

                Dez ends the season with 12 games played 45 receptions, 561 yards, 6 receiving TDs, 21 1st downs, 2 Punt return TDs in only 15 attempts! (He also forced 2 fumbles lol)

                Dez accomplished so much with such little experience/time/knowledge. . . and he was just playing school yard ball (little knowledge of the playbook/system) and tearing up (and abusing) some NFL defenses! How can people say that with OTA's and an off season with Romo that Dez won't just blow up this year? If Dez was in the shape he's in now and ran a 40 he'd easily run a 4.35-4.4 thus deserving of his 94 speed (not to mention him burning people in games which people seem to think doesn't matter?)

                While all this might be true and is good evidence, Mike Williams IS the better reciever. This is coming from a rival team fan. Cowboy fans always wanna compare and put themselves on a higher pedestal then everyone else. Your evidence shows that Dez is not a good player off the field, It also shows us that he gets injured a lot. To say Mike Williams is a worse reciever and is "solid" while Dez is some sort of Randy Moss Freak of a athlete is complete DIDDLY POO! Your argument is flawed
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                • ANDROMADA 1
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                  • Dec 2008
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                  #9
                  Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

                  Dez is probably the fastest Wr for Dallas. For sure in game. His speed should stay where its is. Dude can flat out run. He is one of the best young wr's in the NFL right now. There's a reason the Cowboys got rid of Roy Williams. He is a playmaker with size, speed, and power. I think he'll put up great numbers this season. I can't really comment on Mike Williams of the Bucs but then again when has Tampa ever had a good wr?
                  Last edited by ANDROMADA 1; 08-22-2011, 10:40 PM.

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                  • Dwaresacksqb
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                    • Jun 2009
                    • 696

                    #10
                    Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

                    Ok I am a cowboys fan and u may think my opinion is biased but w.e. I must come to his defense. Dez Bryant is a freak! The 40 time gets thrown out the window for the reasons already discussed. Just search some of his highlights on YouTube and watch the kid BURN people. He also has Amazing body control to get himself in position to make spectacular catches. Even madden gave us him as a option in their fan vote for the 100 spectacular catch rating. The dude literally man handles DB's and fights for every yard. His vision in the open field is just sick so the kid is a game changer and could take it to the house (2 punt return td's on 15 attempts + some sick kick returns). This was all done his rookie season with minimal knowledge of the playbook because he was hurt in camp ( that should NOT be looked at like oh he gets hurt a lot when the kid was out of football for over a year and out of shape). Route running is by FAR the easiest thing for a receiver to improve on. All it takes when u have the tools Dez does is determination and trust me the kid wants to be great. I'm not saying he is better than Mike Williams as I have not seen enough tape on him. I'm just making a cas for my boy and if u still think he is as good or even better than Dez..... Then Tampa Bay fans have a pretty sick WR and should be happy

                    Edit: his elusiveness is also sick. He puts some crazy moves on people at full speed and makes them look stupid.
                    Last edited by Dwaresacksqb; 08-23-2011, 09:36 PM.
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                    • DorneyDave86
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                      • Aug 2010
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                      #11
                      Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

                      I'm a Cowboys fan and disagree. Dez has loads of potential, but there is absolutely no way you can say he's "better' than Mike Williams right now. The only thing that this debate should be based on is NFL production in their rookie years. Thus, there is no debate. Mike Williams > Dez Bryant. That could change this year, and I hope it does.

                      Plus, I'm not worried about Dez...I'm worried about if the Cowboys are going to be able to cover anyone...AT ALL...this year once again. *sad face*
                      Last edited by DorneyDave86; 08-23-2011, 09:43 PM.

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                      • Dwaresacksqb
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                        • Jun 2009
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                        #12
                        Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

                        Originally posted by DorneyDave86
                        I'm a Cowboys fan and disagree. Dez has loads of potential, but there is absolutely no way you can say he's "better' than Mike Williams right now. The only thing that this debate should be based on is NFL production in their rookie years. Thus, there is no debate. Potential is just like opinion, it can't be fact.

                        Plus, I'm not worried about Dez...I'm worried about if the Cowboys are going to be able to cover anyone...AT ALL...this year once again. *sad face*
                        Potential isn't imaginary though. There's a reason all the experts say the sky is the limit...and u say he has "loads of potential" Dez is a.....FREAK! I think based on "potential" people could argue he is better. He was out of football for a year and did get injured. He also had two different QB's throwing him the ball in a Loaded offense where the ball gets spread around. Does Tampa have a Miles or Witten also wanting the ball? Also include Roy because he was on the team. I'm not saying he is better because that's a pointless debate at the minute. But I can say that other people who might want to have a case and should be heard.
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                        • R0M0mentum09
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                          • Sep 2010
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                          #13
                          Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

                          Originally posted by DorneyDave86
                          I'm a Cowboys fan and disagree. Dez has loads of potential, but there is absolutely no way you can say he's "better' than Mike Williams right now. The only thing that this debate should be based on is NFL production in their rookie years. Thus, there is no debate. Mike Williams > Dez Bryant. That could change this year, and I hope it does.

                          Plus, I'm not worried about Dez...I'm worried about if the Cowboys are going to be able to cover anyone...AT ALL...this year once again. *sad face*
                          Never said he's "better" just faster and has more potential?

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                          • ggsimmonds
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                            Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

                            Originally posted by R0M0mentum09

                            Dez accomplished so much with such little experience/time/knowledge. . . and he was just playing school yard ball (little knowledge of the playbook/system) and tearing up (and abusing) some NFL defenses! How can people say that with OTA's and an off season with Romo that Dez won't just blow up this year? If Dez was in the shape he's in now and ran a 40 he'd easily run a 4.35-4.4 thus deserving of his 94 speed (not to mention him burning people in games which people seem to think doesn't matter?)
                            uh yeah about that...there was this thing called a lockout so...yeah.

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                            • WildcatZ
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                              • Sep 2011
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                              #15
                              Re: The truth about Dez Bryant!

                              There are at least 11 players with a better ACC/SPD combination than than Bryant. It is not like he is grossly overrated in those categories.
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