IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

[Phobia]

Hey Ian

This is one of the best ideas to come out this year. Dropping back between 10-15 yards and Icons disappear. My question & Concern is this, Say for example I drop back 15 yards and the Icons disappear. If I step back up into the pocket will the Icons reappear?

Reason for this question is if this is the case I think this can still be exploited. For example, Say I take vince young and run back 15 yards (icons gone). I then run out the pocket to the sideline (exploiting poor madden line play aka POCKET). I then take Vince young and run inward of that 15 yard cushion and get the icons to come back on again THEN I can throw the ball and have exploited the Icon disappear fix you all put it.

I suggest once you drop back 10-15 yards and the Icons disappear that they are gone for good!!! This will prevent people from finding ways to take advantage of the fix you all implementing.

Thanks
PHOBIA

P.S. Just a heads up for ya IAN, I could not find any clear cut info on how this would be handled.

[LBzrule]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

Hey Ian

This is one of the best ideas to come out this year. Dropping back between 10-15 yards and Icons disappear. My question & Concern is this, Say for example I drop back 15 yards and the Icons disappear. If I step back up into the pocket will the Icons reappear?

Reason for this question is if this is the case I think this can still be exploited. For example, Say I take vince young and run back 15 yards (icons gone). I then run out the pocket to the sideline (exploiting poor madden line play aka POCKET). I then take Vince young and run inward of that 15 yard cushion and get the icons to come back on again THEN I can throw the ball and have exploited the Icon disappear fix you all put it.

I suggest once you drop back 10-15 yards and the Icons disappear that they are gone for good!!! This will prevent people from finding ways to take advantage of the fix you all implementing.

Thanks
PHOBIA

P.S. Just a heads up for ya IAN, I could not find any clear cut info on how this would be handled.

With your scenario do you have in mind the A.I on defense or another human being. If it is the latter case, I don't think most guys will give you time to do all of that. But I'm pretty sure someone will have some mess that sorta tinkers with the system.

[ODogg]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

I was going to create a thread and comment on this as well. This feature is great but honestly it needs to be for RANKED games difficulty level and not just unranked All-Madden level. As we all know that is where most "cheesing" goes on since ranked games are the ones that show up on your ranked record.

Ian - Could we get this feature added to ranked games so this feature will actually be utilized as intended, ie to help cut down cheesing online?

[Phobia]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

With your scenario do you have in mind the A.I on defense or another human being. If it is the latter case, I don't think most guys will give you time to do all of that. But I'm pretty sure someone will have some mess that sorta tinkers with the system.

I don't know LB. Think about if u had vince and right after u hike u hold RT and run backwards and towards a sideline. You could easily get deep and out to the sideline before the rush gets to the QB. 10-15 yards should be plenty deep enough to still roll out and scramble and make throws on the run without having to drop 20+ yards to do so. IMO

[BezO]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

I'm probably one of the few that thinks this is a terrible idea. QBs don't lose their vision when they leave the pocket. I think it would have been better to keep the icons, improve the line interaction and let footwork & ratings take care of the rest. This is one of those cases where EA needs a FOOTBALL fix, not a video game one.

What I would like to see is a modified version of the cone, without the cone. Split the field in 2 for good QBs and into 3-4 for those with lesser vision. Make it so the icons only appear in sections the QB is looking. The good QBs would only have to look left & right. The lesser QBs will have to look in 3-4 directions.

With better line interaction, realistic footwork/accuracy/power relationship and a coneless cone system, the passing game would be sweet.

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

I'm probably one of the few that thinks this is a terrible idea. QBs don't lose their vision when they leave the pocket. I think it would have been better to keep the icons, improve the line interaction and let footwork & ratings take care of the rest. This is one of those cases where EA needs a FOOTBALL fix, not a video game one.

What I would like to see is a modified version of the cone, without the cone. Split the field in 2 for good QBs and into 3-4 for those with lesser vision. Make it so the icons only appear in sections the QB is looking. The good QBs would only have to look left & right. The lesser QBs will have to look in 3-4 directions.

With better line interaction, realistic footwork/accuracy/power relationship and a coneless cone system, the passing game would be sweet.

While they don't lose their vision, I would say dropping back that far would make what's going on downfield much harder to discern. I think a more fleshed out solution will come next year.

[cdon2k]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

Thanks Odogg, online is my biggest concern for this feature. It needs to be mandatory in online ranked games....

Kids out there are willing to do anything to protect there record and not take a loss....

lets get this in online ranked games, also what's the default difficulty in online ranked if I may ask?

Cdon

[LBzrule]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

I don't know LB. Think about if u had vince and right after u hike u hold RT and run backwards and towards a sideline. You could easily get deep and out to the sideline before the rush gets to the QB. 10-15 yards should be plenty deep enough to still roll out and scramble and make throws on the run without having to drop 20+ yards to do so. IMO

Well I also had in mind nano blitzes too. So even if you do run like that, in the case of a nano blitz you would do best just to keep it and run up the field because there will be no coming back to the area where a pocket should be formed.

[FootballDetails]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

Ian - Could we get this feature added to ranked games so this feature will actually be utilized as intended, ie to help cut down cheesing online?

I think that's a great idea. I don't expect serious players to drop back 20 yards. It's a smart feature, but it needs to be expanded into other levels of play to be fully realized and appreciated.

[Phobia]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

I'm probably one of the few that thinks this is a terrible idea. QBs don't lose their vision when they leave the pocket. I think it would have been better to keep the icons, improve the line interaction and let footwork & ratings take care of the rest. This is one of those cases where EA needs a FOOTBALL fix, not a video game one.

What I would like to see is a modified version of the cone, without the cone. Split the field in 2 for good QBs and into 3-4 for those with lesser vision. Make it so the icons only appear in sections the QB is looking. The good QBs would only have to look left & right. The lesser QBs will have to look in 3-4 directions.

With better line interaction, realistic footwork/accuracy/power relationship and a coneless cone system, the passing game would be sweet.

I think more of the issue is online play with players dropping back 20+ yards on pass plays to by time on passes and take advantage of the poor D-line madden has. This makes it tough since all QB's throw still perfect to either side of the field. So this is a great Idea to force people to play realistic and stay atleast NEAR the pocket. My concern is people still exploiting the roll-out part of it.

But I do hear what you are saying and I think IAN and the crew already stated this is a Band-aid type fix just for this year and a more fleshed out fix will be included next year. This is just something the community wanted so they included something for us.

[LBzrule]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

I'm probably one of the few that thinks this is a terrible idea. QBs don't lose their vision when they leave the pocket. I think it would have been better to keep the icons, improve the line interaction and let footwork & ratings take care of the rest. This is one of those cases where EA needs a FOOTBALL fix, not a video game one.

What I would like to see is a modified version of the cone, without the cone. Split the field in 2 for good QBs and into 3-4 for those with lesser vision. Make it so the icons only appear in sections the QB is looking. The good QBs would only have to look left & right. The lesser QBs will have to look in 3-4 directions.

With better line interaction, realistic footwork/accuracy/power relationship and a coneless cone system, the passing game would be sweet.

Maybe disappearing icons are not a good long term solution, but it is a great immediate solution for this year due to the lines not being where they need to be. And I agree with Odogg, it needs to be for online ranked since this is the arena that gives rise to the complaint.

[Phobia]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

Well I also had in mind nano blitzes too. So even if you do run like that, in the case of a nano blitz you would do best just to keep it and run up the field because there will be no coming back to the area where a pocket should be formed.

Yea i felt that is what you were refering to. I was just kind of using a broad "time to throw" general assumption.

Remember when play maker came out and people would take vick and run for the sidelines and makes throws across the field and anywhere they wanted and it was extremely tough to do anything to counter this? I am concerned of the same kind of thing.

[Russell_SCEA]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

I'm probably one of the few that thinks this is a terrible idea. QBs don't lose their vision when they leave the pocket. I think it would have been better to keep the icons, improve the line interaction and let footwork & ratings take care of the rest. This is one of those cases where EA needs a FOOTBALL fix, not a video game one.

Having the icons turn off is not the long term solution but as you guys know OL/DL interaction did not receive a major look this year.

I only expect to see this patch needed for this year and this year only I'm sure the team can come up with a better solution next year.

Although I will take this for right now.

[Phobia]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

Having the icons turn off is not the long term solution but as you guys know OL/DL interaction did not receive a major look this year.

I only expect to see this patch needed for this year and this year only I'm sure the team can come up with a better solution next year.

Although I will take this for right now.

russel did Ian and them say anything when u were there on how this will be handled? My main question is on the first post.

Thanks bro

[Sigma4Life]

Re: IAN - QUESTION & CONCERN On disappearing PASS ICONS

I think disabling icons is a very rudimentary fix that will solve some problems yet cause others. The proper fix, which can easily be implemented immediately in 09, is to greatly reduce QB accuracy once they drop back 10+ yards.

The inaccuracy of the throw should be based on the distance from the QB to the intended receiver. Any throw beyond 5 yards from the LOS should be very inaccurate and not reach the intended receiver 90% of the time. I think passes to RBs in the flats short crossing routes should reach the intended receiver but should not hit him in stride.

Ideally it would work like the following when the QB is more than 10 - 15 yards behind the LOS:

When the intended receiver is:
behind LOS: 1 - 2 yards off target
0 - 5 yards beyond LOS: 2 - 3 yards off target
6 - 15 yards beyond LOS: 3 - 5 yards off target
16 - 30 yards beyond LOS: 6 - 10 yards off target
31+ yards beyond LOS: 11 - 20 yards off target