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  • rhombic21
    Pro
    • Jul 2002
    • 590

    #1

    Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

    I know that this seems like somewhat of a drastic change, but here are my arguments for why this should go:

    1) Honestly, how often are you in control of a player where you DON'T want him to run as fast as possible? Not very often. Certainly not often enough to warrant having to hit a separate button to get him to do so. Running should basically work based on the direction that the stick is pressed, so that varying degrees would result in varying speeds.

    2) It would free up a button to do other things. Here are the things that I think you could replace the sprint button with, which would make the game better. I'm basing this of 360 controls, but the same changes would apply to the PS3.

    QB - Pressing the right trigger takes down the passing icons and makes the QB go into runner mode. Now you can spin, stiff arm, juke, etc...Would have two-fold benefits. First, it would reduce the ability of people to run around at full speed with the QB and then suddenly throw to a WR. Second, for teams that have really mobile and athletic QBs, it would allow the user to actually try and evade people behind the LOS with something other than simply sprinting around in circles. I could even see implementing special QB pocket juke animations.

    RB/ballcarrier - Pressing Right Trigger enters what I would term "traffic mode." This mode basically makes it easier to make moves in a tight area. So it would sacrifice forward speed for greater ability to move laterally. This would make it easier to do things like pull off hop steps into/out of a hole, or to make quick shifty moves that shake a defender, to get skinny in the hole, etc...In a lot of ways, this would almost be like an offensive strafe button for ballcarriers. When you press it, it could automatically turn your guy to have his shoulders parallel with the goal line, and then you can use the left and right jukes to perform appropriate moves that would be designed to work in a small space. The problem with the juke button right now is that it's often just too drastic of a movement to work in space very well, and it's kind of a dramatic movement that's designed for the open field. What I'm thinking here are more like smaller, more subtle jukes and moves, that are designed to be easy to control and which work in tight areas.

    Receiver/Ball in the Air - So one of my biggest gripes about the way that the passing game works is that there's no way to get a receiver or DB to orient himself/look at the ball, without completely turning around via the stafe button (which now you can't even do on offense due to the exploits that was causing). You could use the right trigger as a mode that would make the player "look" at the ball. So his head would orient on the ball, and maybe you access some slightly different run animations that have some sort of speed difference, but the point is that now with him oriented on the ball, he will go for the catch or swat when you press the button. So it's kind of like a strafe concept, but the player doesn't stop and turn around, and it doesn't access any special jump animations.

    Defense - I had a couple of ideas on defense. One was that you could combine right trigger with the right analog stick, and then have a set of custom defensive moves to try and defeat blocks. Right now, if you wanted to use the right analog stick for anything on defense, you have to get rid of pass commit and the hit-stick. Another idea is that you could use the right trigger as a power mode on defense. So currently, if defenders run into blockers, they really do so with almost no momentum or power, and end up getting blocked. This is problematic for power run type plays, or other plays where some defenders would, rather than trying to run around a blocker, would actually want to power into a blocker, knock him back, and blow up the play. I'm thinking this would be good for all kinds of situations. You've got LBs blitzing with a RB picking him up. You've got kickoff coverage with the wedge busters. You've got linebackers taking on fullbacks in the hole on lead running plays. What this would do is make size and strength, in addition to speed, actually matter for players other than your defensive linemen.

    Thoughts?
  • tmoneymill
    Banned
    • Jan 2008
    • 349

    #2
    Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

    I agree with getting rid of it. It seems once you hit the turbo button, your whole team stops blocking. You can still have fast people without the turbo button, just depends on the Speed and Acc attribute. And have people top out at full speed after running like 5 years straight in one direction or something. Turbo needs to go.

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    • LBzrule
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2002
      • 13085

      #3
      Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

      I agree with this as well. You have an acceleration rating and a speed rating. Why not just allow those to come into play to determine how fast the player gets to top speed as you are pressing the stick in directions. A full hard press of the stick in a direction = accelerate fully. Slight presses should keep you in a mode where you are strictly focusing on moves and trying to read holes and break free.

      As for defense I agree as well because your play calls and down and distance should have more of a say over whether your players run/pass committ, in the secondary anyways. The hit stick was ok when it first came out, but I think it is time to move on. Let the players velocity, angle, ratings ect determine the hits.

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      • thudias
        MVP
        • Jul 2006
        • 1995

        #4
        Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

        I'm not sure on this without more details. I don't want the game to move at a slow pace.
        Because I can!

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        • FlyingFinn
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 3956

          #5
          Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

          I agree. Just implement full analog running with different animations for different speeds depending on how far the stick is pressed. NHL has moved in that direction (no sprint button) but they still don't have full analog speed control which hurts the implementation.

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          • RGiles36
            MVP
            • Jan 2008
            • 3957

            #6
            Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

            I really don't have a firm opinion on this. Really, I'd probably prefer for them to do away with the sprint button. But I don't foresee it happening, so I'll make the best out of it.

            I just think that if they're going to keep it, it should have an impact on fatigue so that it doesn't feel so gimmicky and arcade.

            But I do agree with the OP when he says that you're consistently holding down the sprint button anyway.

            I hope that EA provides an opinion on this. I've seen this topic come up several times, but I haven't seen Ian or Phil comment on it.
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            • starvsnr
              Rookie
              • Jun 2005
              • 166

              #7
              Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

              I sort of agree. The turbo button has not only been in every Madden, but its been in almost EVERY sports game. If they opened up both the shoulder buttons, the triggers ought to be the juke. The harder you press them the harder the cut your player makes. Then what I REALLY want is the stiff arm to be two buttons again, LB and RB. I believe the older Maddens had this exact set up on the old Xbox when A was the sprint button.

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              • jacory12
                Pro
                • Nov 2008
                • 675

                #8
                Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

                I think they should keep it because I don't use it all the time. Sometimes I like to run slow with my HB until I get good blocking and then I run through the hole. I think there is no need to remove this.

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                • FlyingFinn
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3956

                  #9
                  Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

                  Full analog running lets you run slow (even allows you to walk).

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                  • thudias
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 1995

                    #10
                    Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

                    Originally posted by rgiles36
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                    I just think that if they're going to keep it, it should have an impact on fatigue
                    Agree
                    Because I can!

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                    • BezO
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 4414

                      #11
                      Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

                      I like both ideas. Chuck the sprint button for true analog running, and add a power "move" on defense. Excellent!

                      But this is at least the 3rd "sprint button" thread with no comment from EA. I hope no news is good news.
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                      • rhombic21
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 590

                        #12
                        Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

                        I've been thinking about it, and even if they don't completely do away with the sprint button, I think that they could do away with it only for QBs, and it would fix a LOT of problems that the game faces in terms of mobile QBs being able to run around forever behind the LOS (is particularly a problem on NCAA).

                        Instead of making right trigger sprint for the QB, make right trigger enter the "runner mode" for the QB. This would basically make QBs run at a non-sprinting speed (which would still be faster than the speed they move at if they're in the throwing stance), take down the icons, and then allow the use of your jukes, stiff arms, spin moves, etc....

                        I know that on NCAA, the team was concerned because the non-linear speed curve is good for making gameplay more wide open so that really fast players make big plays in the open field, but it causes some problems with the pass rush because now 80+ speed QBs can pretty easily run away from pressure. And then there are also problems with giving QBs realistic speed ratings, because if you make the speed ratings low in order to make pressure easier, it then has a negative impact on the designed QB running plays (of which there are a ton on NCAA). Seems like this would be a way to fix that, so that you could still get the wide open gameplay in terms of skill players and open field running, but without making it impossible to get realistic pressure on the QB.

                        Just a thought.
                        Last edited by rhombic21; 12-22-2008, 03:37 PM.

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                        • djordan
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 3052

                          #13
                          Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

                          Keep it....Not everyone is as hardcore as us...

                          Remember EA has to market to everyone. I think having it as an option to turn sprint on or off is better.
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                          • Skyboxer
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 20302

                            #14
                            Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

                            I posted the same thing a month or so ago and had simular replies. It was about 50/50. Those that did say to keep it agreed that if they do it should have an impact on being able to make quick cuts and more fatigue. I'm on the side that thinks it should go bye bye and full speed is with the stick fully pushed up.

                            Also I don't think the speed button has any bearing on hardcore or not. I think not only would it be more realistic but easier for the less hardcore.

                            But I agree if you keep it do the above OR have an option in settings to turn it off.

                            On a different note I could care less about the sprint button if they'd overhall that passing. It's almost 2009 and we're still hitting "This button" for "this receiver"

                            Convert the system to a spin off of Fevers Read and Lead system, or like above make it an option to pass that way.
                            Last edited by Skyboxer; 12-22-2008, 04:08 PM.
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                            • BezO
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                              • Jul 2004
                              • 4414

                              #15
                              Re: Madden/NCAA Should Get Rid of the Sprint Button

                              Originally posted by Skyboxer
                              On a different note I could care less about the sprint button if they'd overhall that passing. It's almost 2009 and we're still hitting "This button" for "this receiver"

                              Convert the system to a spin off of Fevers Read and Lead system, or like above make it an option to pass that way.
                              This would be sweet if it could be done without the extra icons.
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