Question About Potential

[STLfan92]

on the blog it said that a player's potential rating is something he cannot exceed.
if i take a backup QB (who i presume won't have a high potential rating) and break all records etc for several seasons in a row... will his rating still be stuck that low?

[kcarr]

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on the blog it said that a player's potential rating is something he cannot exceed.
if i take a backup QB (who i presume won't have a high potential rating) and break all records etc for several seasons in a row... will his rating still be stuck that low?

Yes, if you are using a backup who has low potential. However if you have a guy like cassell who in head coach they gave a 90 potential rating then he can improve. It really makes a requirement to draft smarter and helps to make decisions about who to keep as backups more important.

[STLfan92]

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Yes, if you are using a backup who has low potential. However if you have a guy like cassell who in head coach they gave a 90 potential rating then he can improve. It really makes a requirement to draft smarter and helps to make decisions about who to keep as backups more important.

alright but what if cassel performs better than a 90 overall consistently?
it may be unlikely but it could happen.

also i was reading the feedback thread on the franchise blog... are there going to be draft classes with real faces (or at least computer generated ones like in MVP) instead of those silhouettes?

[kcarr]

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alright but what if cassel performs better than a 90 overall consistently?
it may be unlikely but it could happen.

also i was reading the feedback thread on the franchise blog... are there going to be draft classes with real faces (or at least computer generated ones like in MVP) instead of those silhouettes?

In head coach they had CPU generated ones with the premade classes so I would until I hear otherwise assume the same will be true in madden.

Second, a player does not play above his ratings. He might play better than other players with identical ratings but his ratings in combination with his surroundings and the user controlling him were used to create whatever production he had. The only true judge of what a player should produce given ratings and situation is what that player produces in that situation with those ratings so he will never perform above that.

[CLEAR17]

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This is a great thread. I agree with this question. Lets say we take an example of Tashard Choice.

(This is made up)
TC- Ovl rating is 74....pot rating 85. Choice is 24 years old
What if Barber and Felix got injured and he carries the load for the next 3 years.
His stats read
2009: 360 carries 1700 yards 10 TDs
2010: 310 carries 1645 yards 13 TDs
2011: 340 carries 1462 yards 11 TDs

Now reading stats like this you would think of LT or AP both who are rated in the 90's. Shouldn't a player who plays like this deserve to be rated among the other greats?

One more thing...I think the potential rating should change every year. If a player out performs his rating than the potential should increase too or decrease

Ex: Tashard Choice 74 ovl. 85 potential.
2009: 360 carries 1700 yards 10 TDs
Progression after season: TChoice increase to 80 ovl. potential increase to 88

Potential could increase by half of what the ovl increase is. This would work the exact same way if a player decreases.

What do you think?

[canes21]

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If he is performing well for me, well I don't care what the game says his OVR is, but I see your points.

[kcarr]

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If he is performing well for me, well I don't care what the game says his OVR is, but I see your points.

Great point here. He already has the stats to put up those numbers. Why should he improve for putting up numbers that he already has the ratings to put up?

[Steeler99]

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If he is performing well for me, well I don't care what the game says his OVR is, but I see your points.

I also agree with this ... if my player is performing at a level I'm happy with, I really don't care what his rating is? Having said that, I wouldn't expect a 74 rated RB to tear it up like Adrian Peterson?

[Clarke_311]

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If he is performing well for me, well I don't care what the game says his OVR is, but I see your points.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[kcarr]

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I also agree with this ... if my player is performing at a level I'm happy with, I really don't care what his rating is? Having said that, I wouldn't expect a 74 rated RB to tear it up like Adrian Peterson?

I don't know about 74 speed but jamal lewis was never extremely fast but had great seasons. Brandon Jacobs does extremely well as a slower back. Lendell white does alright too. Bettis was never extremely fast and that didn't stop him from being a great back.

[Bump101]

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on the blog it said that a player's potential rating is something he cannot exceed.
if i take a backup QB (who i presume won't have a high potential rating) and break all records etc for several seasons in a row... will his rating still be stuck that low?

I could be wrong, but I think that comment only implies to progression. You will still be able to raise a player rating through training camp, weekly training, weekly practice, or whatever method Ian and co. decides to use for improving a players rating other than progression. Again I could be wrong.

[monkeybutlerz]

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I don't know about 74 speed but jamal lewis was never extremely fast but had great seasons. Brandon Jacobs does extremely well as a slower back. Lendell white does alright too. Bettis was never extremely fast and that didn't stop him from being a great back.

Jamal used to be extremely fast, especially for a man his size. He ran a 4.37 coming out of college. He truly was a special athlete, but that ankle injury that he couldn't rehab properly in jail really screwed up his career.

[cch99]

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To me I think the point everyone is missing is that the aforementioned player who subs in at Dallas wouldn't get those numbers if it wasn't for the user. Therefore straight sim based lets say he gets 1000 yards and averages 4 ypc then he gets to his potential. But the user is altering all that.

The main point I think is that I agree with what some others have said. If you are already dominating with a guy why does it even matter if his overall goes up. To me it means you are just too good at the game. The numbers, Overall, Potential etc are just numbers. If you are dominating with a guy like that then to me maybe you need top up the difficulty. The other thing is it is a team sport. Maybe the guy has those incredible numbers because he is behind an awesome O-Line. They contribute to that in a big way. So the player has not actually exceeded his potential he is just in the right system.

That is one thing I like about Basketball Games. With shooting you are never going to be good enough to make Shaq hit 50% on 3's so you never have to worry about it. I think in Video Football it's a lot harder to mimic that type of thing.

[Bump101]

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Jamal used to be extremely fast, especially for a man his size. He ran a 4.37 coming out of college. He truly was a special athlete, but that ankle injury that he couldn't rehab properly in jail really screwed up his career.

Yeah J.Lew was a monster for years. He was a mixture of power and speed. The guy really was our whole offense and he carried us when we didn't have a true signal caller at QB.

But then he had that 2000 yard season, and it was all down hill from there. He went from running with authority, to tip toeing to the line of scrimmage. Sadly, he was never the same after going to jail and suffering the ankle injury...

That's why i hope injuries play a key role in whether a player progression or not in madden. Players morale should have a huge effect in franchise mode as well.

[RJTheDestroyer]

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Ok, I think what a lot of you guys don't realize (or are forgetting) is how much overall ratings affect what computers do in a Franchise. Sure, if you can own it up with your 74 overall guy, you can make him start, but the computers (at least from previous next-gen Maddens without position battles) would always start the guy that's rated the best no matter how good the back-up performed that season when the starter went down with an injury.

For example, in one of my Madden 09 franchises, I decided to sim a season to see how the progression was. Matt Cassell starts for Brady since he went down with that terrible knee injury and ends up making it to the Pro Bowl with incredible numbers (at 75 overall or whatever he was rated). Does he go up like he should for making the Pro Bowl? No. He didn't go up at all probably because he was at his potential already or very close to it. The thing that was even worse was that Matt Gutierezz (the 3rd-stringer) goes up 3 for doing basically nothing and is now higher on the depth-chart than Cassell. With this, Cassell would pretty much never see the field again unless Brady and Gutierezz both go down with injuries in the next year (and even if they cut him, he likely wouldn't start for a team being 75 overall).

In summary, I pretty much fail to see the logic with having a max potential that a player cannot exceed (especially with respect to the computers and their personnel management). If he's continuously putting up good numbers and making the Pro Bowl/winning awards, he should go up accordingly. Therefore, I'd say they should scrap the potential rating altogether and just have your scouts let you know what they think of a player's potential in the NFL when you're scouting them. For one, potential's just a pre-conceived judgement of how good a player could be...that view of a player's potential will change (in real life) based on how he actually performs when given the opportunity. If potential has to stay however, it had better be dynamic (if a player is playing better than expected, his max potential should go up as well and vice versa), but even this shows that the Potential rating is essentially useless because the player might as well not have a Potential rating and should just increase if playing well. After all, progression/regression should primarily be performance-based and a maximum overall should not be pre-determined or else it seems like progression is already pre-determined as well (which was a major issue with previous next-gen Maddens).