Problem in Every Defense

[LBzrule]

Back the linebackers on the 2nd level up. They are too close to the line. Every game has had this damn problem.

4-3 Defense the MLB should be around 5 yards off the line of scrimmage.
3-4 RILB needs to be around 4 yards off; the LILB needs to be 5 yards off.

43 (every front), 3-4 (every front), 46 Normal, 46 Bear, the MLB and the ILB's are just way to damn close.

[lolfalconsbeatu]

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Nice find...

I hope they pick up on it...while they are at it, I hope they fix Nickel 155 formation

[dougdeuce]

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Agreed, and if anyone would know it would be LBzrule.

[lolfalconsbeatu]

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Agreed, and if anyone would know it would be LBzrule.

I do not think a lot of people will care about the 'minor details' such as this...but this is something I wish would get BUMPED more often than little things (to me) such as colored cleats, and hot dog prices in Franchise Mode....

Dont get me wrong, I think they are important and need to be revamped, but I think the gameplay (starting with the formation sets such as 4-3, 3-4, Dime, ect), than the O-lineman (which is being addressed through pro tak), then D-Line, then QB (which is being addressed with its dropback), ect...should ALL be addressed before getting into modes.

But all in all..i love what they are doing with this years game..really addressing all 'minor issues' and game modes.

[djKianoosh]

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Back the linebackers on the 2nd level up. They are too close to the line. Every game has had this damn problem.

4-3 Defense the MLB should be around 5 yards off the line of scrimmage.
3-4 RILB needs to be around 4 yards off; the LILB needs to be 5 yards off.

43 (every front), 3-4 (every front), 46 Normal, 46 Bear, the MLB and the ILB's are just way to damn close.

not all the time and not for every play. this is why I say defensive playbooks are all way too generic.

How many times have we seen teams like the Ravens, Eagles, Giants, etc with all 11 guys on the line of scrimmage? the eagles do a lot of this. yes, I'll give you this, that on base Defensive plays, the LB's are too close to the line. but i always see a ton of LB's, at least in the NFC East, that have LB's jumping around probing the gaps. they have an assignment for sure, but they try to confuse the O line and QB until the ball is snapped, then they hit their gap or flow to the ball.

bottom line, defensive playbooks need a lot of love.

[quagga]

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Back the linebackers on the 2nd level up. They are too close to the line. Every game has had this damn problem.

LBz - was this something that was brought up at CD, or is this new info? Is Ian and the team aware?

[hollywood21]

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Hope Ian and co noticed this. Is this fixible for 10?

[deaduck]

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Two thoughts...

One, the LB placement lacks realism for the same reason previously explained by a DEV blog for alot of problems. Tweaks in speed and capture animation might make the realistic position affect gameplay in an unrealistic way.

Two, realistic LB placement might scale weird on one or more of the camera angles. If they mislead you into seeing them deeper than they were, the passing lanes might get altered.

Fixing it would be nice but maybe it'd open a bigger can of worms right now.

[MRxAmazing]

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You didn't mention this at CD?

[ShimSham]

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I just want dominant DTs and NTs to be able to force a double-team block.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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not all the time and not for every play. this is why I say defensive playbooks are all way too generic.

How many times have we seen teams like the Ravens, Eagles, Giants, etc with all 11 guys on the line of scrimmage? the eagles do a lot of this. yes, I'll give you this, that on base Defensive plays, the LB's are too close to the line. but i always see a ton of LB's, at least in the NFC East, that have LB's jumping around probing the gaps. they have an assignment for sure, but they try to confuse the O line and QB until the ball is snapped, then they hit their gap or flow to the ball.

bottom line, defensive playbooks need a lot of love.

I agree with you 100 percent. I was thinking about this the other day. Madden always has the LB's and lineman in a perfect formation when u select a defense. That it is so obvious what you picked. It looks way to uniformed.

I feel they need to be moving around more and much closer to the line. You see guys moving all the time to better disguise their defense. Making it harder for the QB to reconize who is coming or dropping into coverage.

Here is a video from This past superbowl, and you will see LB on the line with the lineman a bunch of times. Yes you will see at times LB's 5 yrds off, and other times moving around at the line of scrimmage trying to confuse the QB.

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We need more movement with the defense, and not have them just standing in one spot till the ball is snapped.

[LBzrule]

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LBz - was this something that was brought up at CD, or is this new info? Is Ian and the team aware?

They are aware, but I posted it to see what others would think about it.

[LBzrule]

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I agree with you 100 percent. I was thinking about this the other day. Madden always has the LB's and lineman in a perfect formation when u select a defense. That it is so obvious what you picked. It looks way to uniformed.

I feel they need to be moving around more and much closer to the line. You see guys moving all the time to better disguise their defense. Making it harder for the QB to reconize who is coming or dropping into coverage.

Here is a video from This past superbowl, and you will see LB on the line with the lineman a bunch of times. Yes you will see at times LB's 5 yrds off, and other times moving around at the line of scrimmage trying to confuse the QB.

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We need more movement with the defense, and not have them just standing in one spot till the ball is snapped.

I talked with Anthony White about this and he said it is something they could add but the issue is timing blitzes. My contention however is that it should be user controlled and that if you time it too early you risk your guys jumping off sides. This is what I really want to see defensively.

They had movement last year in some playbooks (New England) but it was not precise. Secondly they sorta moved too much.

[LBzrule]

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You didn't mention this at CD?

It was a part of my feedback from CD. I wonder if the placement would open up another can of worms. I wonder if they are that close so that the OL can read them and if they are not that close the OL simply ignores them? hmmmm

[Palo20]

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It was a part of my feedback from CD. I wonder if the placement would open up another can of worms. I wonder if they are that close so that the OL can read them and if they are not that close the OL simply ignores them? hmmmm

I feel like the CPU instantly reads the blitz once the ball is snapped. If your ROLB is blitzing for instance, once the ball is snapped, the OL will account for him. IEven if you manually drop him into coverage, he is still accounted for as a blitzer because the CPU "knows" your play call.