Pro-Tak Question

[StormJH1]

This must have been addressed in a previous thread, but in Pro-Tak, is there some kind of control input (Like mashing the "A" button, similar to 2k5/2k8) that helps you power through tackles (or complete tackles on defense?) Or do you just lose control once you're engaged, as with previous Maddens?

[adembroski]

Re: Pro-Tak Question

This must have been addressed in a previous thread, but in Pro-Tak, is there some kind of control input (Like mashing the "A" button, similar to 2k5/2k8) that helps you power through tackles (or complete tackles on defense?) Or do you just lose control once you're engaged, as with previous Maddens?

It's like tackles in 09 and NCAA 10... the standard move buttons work normally. If you've got a power guy, you wanna truck your way through. Also, you can try to move the pile simply by moving in the direction you want to go.

[StormJH1]

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It's like tackles in 09 and NCAA 10... the standard move buttons work normally. If you've got a power guy, you wanna truck your way through. Also, you can try to move the pile simply by moving in the direction you want to go.

Darn. Well, I guess that could work fine, and no, everything doesn't have to be like 2k did it. My only concern would be that it seems like the results from button presses have become less and less predictable as the games and animations have become more complex.

In Madden 2005/2006, up on the R stick meant either a "Truck Move" or a highlight move, and when you pressed it, it happened. So, if you burst ahead too early (and lost your momentum), a linebacker could come right up and deck you afterwards. In that respect, it was similar to the way the "shoulder charge" worked so well in 2k5. (Triangle or "Y" button)

Now, I feel like these special moves aren't moves at all, but rather animations that either occur in space or in a suction animation between two players. And when I do something like a lineman disengage move or a "highlight stick", I have no idea what my guy is going to try and do.

[Broncos86]

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I see where you're going, but I don't want to mash buttons like that.

[MaddenAddicto]

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Finally im starting to understand what pro talk is.

[kt-od]

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Finally im starting to understand what pro talk is.

Help me out, because I still don't really get it.

[Broncos86]

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Help me out, because I still don't really get it.

What aren't you getting? Okay, in Madden 09, if you engaged in a block with the O-Line, you were rooted until the animation was over. There was no moving left, no moving right. This meant that the "pocket" was little more than a bent line, not a true pocket.

PRO-TAK allows players to engage in these blocks and drive each other left/right/forward/back as well, depending on ratings. This means that DEs can drive up field while still being blocked and form a pocket (don't get LB and Adem started on that, though).

Also, PRO-TAK allows true gang tackles, up to 9 players. It's not a pre-formed animation. Players can procedurally tack onto the pile and drive it back/forth.

[kt-od]

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What aren't you getting? Okay, in Madden 09, if you engaged in a block with the O-Line, you were rooted until the animation was over. There was no moving left, no moving right. This meant that the "pocket" was little more than a bent line, not a true pocket.

PRO-TAK allows players to engage in these blocks and drive each other left/right/forward/back as well, depending on ratings. This means that DEs can drive up field while still being blocked and form a pocket (don't get LB and Adem started on that, though).

Also, PRO-TAK allows true gang tackles, up to 9 players. It's not a pre-formed animation. Players can procedurally tack onto the pile and drive it back/forth.

Great explanation. Thanks!!!

[HolyCrap]

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too much hugging in pro tak no big collisions....in the nfl most of the time on gang tackles of one guy cant bring a dude down they both dont stop and wait for others to come pile on.

if one player cant bring another down the rest of the defenders dont try and wrap up like in madden they try and light the offensive guy up.

madden needs strength, weight and leverage to determine who breaks takles there should be DB's standing power backs up on the goaline unless the DB gets significantly lower than the RB and comes to the collision at a faster speed.

madden needs collisions not hugging....the NFL is a violent sport and madden doesnt reflect that the movements seem robotic and pre determined at times