Madden problems past and present

[ChampN252]

I was reading about the the top 10 Madden athletes and Vick was #1. I also read he was the reason the games became so bad. EA had to speed up defenses, make weird containment plays, and just had to tear the game down in general to make defenses stop him. I believe this is where the suction blocks and tackles came from. It also tore down offenses trying to make a fatigue system to punish QBs and such. Is this true? It really didn't make sense to try to modifiy a game to stop a player from doing what he did every sunday. I swear the suction tackle was made to run him down from behind.

[SageInfinite]

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Shame on EA using Michael Vick as a scapegoat for their terrible design decisions

[countryboy]

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where did you read this?

[ChampN252]

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you can search Google and find multiple websites and forums talking about it. They didn't really need a fatigue system to cripple QB until Vick. I heard the last few winner of the Madden tournaments or whatever it is used the Falcons with Vick. There were a lot of complaints about him being unstoppable, so the devs felt obligated to do something. I know he could run around until the DEs and DTs were tried and just run free or pass. I know you could bait corners and safeties to the line by taking off, stopping at the line and passing. They had to level out the playing field against him.

[countryboy]

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so is it EA stating that they did the things you mentioned above or people speculating thats what happened?

Just curious

[ChampN252]

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Of course they're not gonna say it but c'mon. You know they had to make the game fair. I believe it was after his cover year, they had to make it fair. Like with the fatigue, after your QB is dead tried, they decreased the throwing accuracy also. You act like you've never playing against the falcon.

[kjcheezhead]

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I was reading about the the top 10 Madden athletes and Vick was #1. I also read he was the reason the games became so bad. EA had to speed up defenses, make weird containment plays, and just had to tear the game down in general to make defenses stop him. I believe this is where the suction blocks and tackles came from. It also tore down offenses trying to make a fatigue system to punish QBs and such. Is this true? It really didn't make sense to try to modifiy a game to stop a player from doing what he did every sunday. I swear the suction tackle was made to run him down from behind.

This makes no sense to me. Vick was the coverboy in 2004. 2005 was by a lot of people standards one of the best maddens ever and 06-09 on ps2 we're about the same game. I don't know where you read this but it sounds like someone just making excuses for lousy ps3/xbox360 madden games to me.

[trazzy88]

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Never had problems with Vick or any other mobile quaterback in the game. Most people try to use Vince Young as the new Vick its part of the game that I deal with. And most times if you keep them in pocket and dont over pursue you have no problems.

[countryboy]

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Of course they're not gonna say it but c'mon. You know they had to make the game fair. I believe it was after his cover year, they had to make it fair. Like with the fatigue, after your QB is dead tried, they decreased the throwing accuracy also. You act like you've never playing against the falcon.

thanks for answering my question. Didn't mean to make you so defensive.

[ChampN252]

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I've never really played the PS2 version Maddens. I've only played the next-gen types. It not much of an issue now since Vick ig gone and VY can't get himself together.

[ChampN252]

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No problem man, it sounded like you never had vick issues before. I'd play my friend who used the falcons and he would take off after the snap and gain 10 or 15 every time. I know people have to be concerned about Pat as well. I can see him being used like vick.

Found this from IGN:

<big>1. Michael Vick (Madden '04, Atlanta)</big>
Rating: 95 (Rank: T3)
Other Years: Madden '05 (92, 7); Madden '06 (92, 6); Madden '07 (91, T9)

Is this a controversial pick? Sure. Vick's dogfighting conviction forever darkens any attempt to do a cogent analysis of his career. Even within the rules of our list, Vick's a pick that goes against any notion of logic. He never once was the best-rated player in the game, nor did he have a long career of being a great player in Madden.

What he was, though, was a transcendent character the likes of which sports video gaming had seen exactly once before, and that had been Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl. It was easy to explain away Jackson's performance as a broken, simplistic (if awesome) engine that was unable to handle a star, but Vick's appearance in a modern, sophisticated game engine brought exactly the same effect. Simply, he became the focal point of any Madden game. If you were playing someone and they had Michael Vick, you simply had to devote your entire defense to stopping him. It wasn't enough to simply use a "QB Spy" play, since Vick would just run right past the player designed to spy on him. The entire basis of any defensive scheme had to be dedicated to and hell-bent upon stopping him.

Vick's influence was so strong that it extended to next year's game. With complaints pouring in that Vick couldn't be stopped, EA developed the defensive hit stick and even put Ray Lewis on the cover to signify their efforts. The offensive AI was modified to prevent Vick and other scrambling quarterbacks from leaving the pocket with such effectiveness, leaving Madden '04 as the game where Michael Vick became the greatest quarterback in Madden history.

[43Chargers4Now]

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Never had problems with Vick or any other mobile quaterback in the game. Most people try to use Vince Young as the new Vick its part of the game that I deal with. And most times if you keep them in pocket and dont over pursue you have no problems.

Well now Vince Young is gonna suck so bad this year in Madden (as if he didn't before in real life) that people aren't even gonna dare move him out of 2nd string. Last Year, I could use Vince Young like he was Peyton Manning and Mike Vick combined which was a shame. Vince Young definately isn't too accurate but Madden 09 still gave him good accuracy and an almost Cannon Arm if I remember correctly. With 90 speed and good carrying also, he was a serious weapon even though he wasn't very good in real life.

[deloz]

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Well now Vince Young is gonna suck so bad this year in Madden (as if he didn't before in real life) that people aren't even gonna dare move him out of 2nd string. Last Year, I could use Vince Young like he was Peyton Manning and Mike Vick combined which was a shame. Vince Young definately isn't too accurate but Madden 09 still gave him good accuracy and an almost Cannon Arm if I remember correctly. With 90 speed and good carrying also, he was a serious weapon even though he wasn't very good in real life.

100% true, even the worst QBs in Madden 09 are still more accurate than any real life QB, even Brady and Manning. Hope 09 was the last year of that garbage. QBs were way over-accurate on ps2 though too, so it isnt a new problem.

[Soul2zion]

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No problem man, it sounded like you never had vick issues before. I'd play my friend who used the falcons and he would take off after the snap and gain 10 or 15 every time. I know people have to be concerned about Pat as well. I can see him being used like vick.

Well fortunately Vick changed Madden for the better with the defensive improvements, so Pat won't be difficult to stop. Even better they've implemented the throw on the run rating and so when people using Pat are scrambling and they throw a pass while running, they'll be less accurate than their used to. Looks like some cheesers are in for a rude awakening.

Also, I can remember suction blocking and tackling rearing it's ugly head in 2003, but it could've been an early as 2001 can't remember that far back.

[uncle ruckus1]

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Well now Vince Young is gonna suck so bad this year in Madden (as if he didn't before in real life) that people aren't even gonna dare move him out of 2nd string. Last Year, I could use Vince Young like he was Peyton Manning and Mike Vick combined which was a shame. Vince Young definately isn't too accurate but Madden 09 still gave him good accuracy and an almost Cannon Arm if I remember correctly. With 90 speed and good carrying also, he was a serious weapon even though he wasn't very good in real life.

i dont even try to play guys that pick vy or romo or tarvaris jackson....no matter what i do they seem to get off a perfect, on point a 60 yard pass on the run and at times in mid air while running, sh1t that you never see in real life.