Madden NFL 10 Review

[The Police]

Does Madden 10 have better graphics on PS3 or X-Box 360?

[Rocky]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

If you are saying it's just an improvement, I could see where that would have some merit. I just feel the difference is between night and day from 09 to 10. If you don't, that's your opinion.

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that games are supposed to improve. I have a problem with this "Madden 09 got a 8.5 so Madden 10 should get a 10" logic.

IMO, games should rated compared on how enjoyable it is to play and how realistically they replicate their sport in comparison to other sports games.

[kwpit79]

Quote: Originally Posted by Spanky

That's what it's all about, son. You can analyze, break down and nit-pick the hell out of a game in minute detail, but it all comes down to this: Does it keep you coming back for more? Madden 09? I felt like smashing the disc into a thousand pieces after just three or four games. Tecmo Super Bowl on the NES, circa 1991-92, is primitive compared to today's sports games, but the fun factor was off the chart. I'm hoping I'll find Madden 10 to have that same enjoyment level.

I was just going to say this. I guess I'm just not that anal with games in general.

I thought NFL Head Coach '09 was one of the greatest football games ever created (and yes, I've played them all, starting with the Atari 2600, lol). And that game had many flaws. But it was a blast to play!! I'm still playing it almost once a week, and I'll continue to play it until/if another one is released.

And that was my biggest beef with Madden '09. I played about 6 or 7 games and that was it. It wasn't fun.

Oh, one last thing, the '91 Tecmo Super Bowl game was a classic! I used to get headaches from playing that game too long.

[spankdatazz22]

Thought it would be interesting to make an apples to apples comparison regarding how low expectations factor into how Madden is judged. [Want to preface this by saying I'm only adding APF to the discussion because of who reviewed the game]. Years ago when APF was reviewed by OS, we had a super-long discussion about expectations. Many of us felt the score was justified, but felt Madden was being judged differently/held to a much lower standard. I'm only posting the two because the same person reviewed both games. Some of the user comments on the Madden review are hilarious in retrospect a year later [last year] - the APF review must've been before user comments were linked to the review because there aren't any:

APF review:
http://www.operationsports.com/review.php?id=49

Madden 09 (a year later):
http://www.operationsports.com/review.php?id=431

Unfortunately I think whether it's the Bill Abner review or many others people are giving the game way too much credit for improving on it's admittedly bad predessors. Which really isn't much of a standard to hold it to.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that games are supposed to improve. I have a problem with this "Madden 09 got a 8.5 so Madden 10 should get a 10" logic. IMO, games should rated compared on how enjoyable it is to play and how realistically they replicate their sport in comparison to other sports games.

As I said before, after I played Madden 09 awhile, I felt that 09 was way over rated.

And that is all that counts for me, is me.

[harnalien]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Thought it would be interesting to make an apples to apples comparison regarding how low expectations factor into how Madden is judged. [Want to preface this by saying I'm only adding APF to the discussion because of who reviewed the game]. Years ago when APF was reviewed by OS, we had a super-long discussion about expectations. Many of us felt the score was justified, but felt Madden was being judged differently/held to a much lower standard. I'm only posting the two because the same person reviewed both games. Some of the user comments on the Madden review are hilarious in retrospect a year later [last year] - the APF review must've been before user comments were linked to the review because there aren't any: APF review: http://www.operationsports.com/review.php?id=49 Madden 09 (a year later): http://www.operationsports.com/review.php?id=431 Unfortunately I think whether it's the Bill Abner review or many others people are giving the game way too much credit for improving on it's admittedly bad predessors. Which really isn't much of a standard to hold it to.

Interesting stuff. The review seems to make a lot of excuses for blatant issues by saying "nothing is perfect." This history is what is keeping me from bursting at the seams to get '10. Will it really hold up 3 weeks from now? I will at least rent it this time to see how I feel about it. I think the game needs to be judged by how far next gen games have come versus being judged on how at least it's better than last year.

[jddcp]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Thought it would be interesting to make an apples to apples comparison regarding how low expectations factor into how Madden is judged. [Want to preface this by saying I'm only adding APF to the discussion because of who reviewed the game]. Years ago when APF was reviewed by OS, we had a super-long discussion about expectations. Many of us felt the score was justified, but felt Madden was being judged differently/held to a much lower standard. I'm only posting the two because the same person reviewed both games. Some of the user comments on the Madden review are hilarious in retrospect a year later [last year] - the APF review must've been before user comments were linked to the review because there aren't any: APF review: http://www.operationsports.com/review.php?id=49 Madden 09 (a year later): http://www.operationsports.com/review.php?id=431 Unfortunately I think whether it's the Bill Abner review or many others people are giving the game way too much credit for improving on it's admittedly bad predessors. Which really isn't much of a standard to hold it to.

The problem is most of those reviewers, according to their previous scores for Madden 09 and 08, didn't view them as "admittedly bad predecesors". That is what is confusing with some of the new scores. If a particular site thought a year ago that Madden 09 was a great game (even though we all disagree), how does he put in Madden 10 with all of the new stuff, Presentation, Gamespeed, Working sliders, Online Franchise, Co-op, Pro-tak, a crazy amount of new animations, ect and say it is marginally better (IGN) or actually worse (Gamespot).

And if the response is, well that stuff should have already been in the game or they didn't do anything new...well in 08 and 09 they definitely didn't have that stuff in the game and didn't even try and they gave the game those scores. The one year they actually come to the fans and ask us what we want and (for the most part) deliver and this is the year the reviewers decide to give out an "honest score"? That's what I don't get.

An 8.8 or even an 8.5 is ok for a sports title on a non-sport gaming website, but NOT when you have consistantly given games that were much worse the same score.

[Terrell28]

I just got my Madden 10 about 2 hours ago thanks to the mom & pop stores and it's now 4:15 so now that I have played some games I can have a better opinion and so far it's the little things that I like alot it's just FINALLY LOOKS AND PLAYS like a football game and the players are really like themselves. With the demo I couldn't get a feel cause I dont like the Giants,Cowboys,Steelers, or Cards so now that I have played with my Ravens Ed Reed is like he is in real life even if I'm controling him or its the cpu and the new ratings I love with the play action rating even tho Flacco's could be higher it does play in to when you call a play action pass so all in all with EA FINALLY getting around to presentation I can say this is the closest to my dream which was to have Madden gameplay with 2K5 presentation it maybe 4-5 years later but better LATE THAN NEVER great game!!!!!!!!!!!!