Scouting help needed

[lil jon]

Quote: Originally Posted by Golden28

Awesome stuff....thanks guys. Well, I have pretty much scouted all my positions of need with both high and medium potential guys. Will wait 6 weeks, see what it looks like and then pick my next 24. Thanks again for the tips. Love this game.

you don't have to wait 6 weeks tho


i was scouting a linebacker, and his tackle was under 69, so i stopped scouting him..

the same thing can happen to other positions.. just check back after each game for updates, and see if you like what you see from players, and go from their

[Golden28]

Quote: Originally Posted by lil jon

you don't have to wait 6 weeks tho i was scouting a linebacker, and his tackle was under 69, so i stopped scouting him.. the same thing can happen to other positions.. just check back after each game for updates, and see if you like what you see from players, and go from their

Thanks buddy!!

[joejccva71]

Quote: Originally Posted by lil jon

haven't had the chance to do a offseason yet, but the above is pretty much the opposite of what they told us about the offseason.. no longer is the 40 going to be the most important thing, and if that's all you look at, be prepared to have some busts.. not saying you're wrong as i haven't had the chance to do this yet, but the franchise guys would have to be lying if you were right

No I agree that the 40 isn't the most important thing but you still have to use that information. For instance, if I am looking for a speed WR, I am not going to select one that has a 4.55 in his 40 because even if his awareness, injury, jump and catch are all above 90's, his speed and acceleration won't be, and they won't even be in the 80's.

Thats all i was talking about bro.

[lil jon]

Quote: Originally Posted by joejccva71

No I agree that the 40 isn't the most important thing but you still have to use that information. For instance, if I am looking for a speed WR, I am not going to select one that has a 4.55 in his 40 because even if his awareness, injury, jump and catch are all above 90's, his speed and acceleration won't be, and they won't even be in the 80's. Thats all i was talking about bro.

just when you said they would most likely be a bust is where i got confused.. no biggie, just hoping they take everything into account for created players

[Josherz18]

What I don't know is, What are the stats supposed to be for each position.

Is a 5.06 40 good for a MLB? A 8.57 cone? etc.

[Golden28]

Quote: Originally Posted by Josherz18

What I don't know is, What are the stats supposed to be for each position. Is a 5.06 40 good for a MLB? A 8.57 cone? etc.

Yep, this is something I would love to know so I can at least try and decide who to scout.

Is anyone able to do a template of the above average times and/or stats we should be looking for in each of the drills per position?

I know about height and weight desirables per position buy not a clue about cone drills or shuffles etc??

[Golden28]

Ok, I found this on the NFL combine page, which should help us understand a bit more about the drills, but what about desirable stats per position per drill?

40-yard dash
The 40-yard dash is the marquee event at the combine. It's kind of like the 100-meters at the Olympics: It's all about speed, explosion and watching skilled athletes run great times. These athletes are timed at 10, 20 and 40-yard intervals. What the scouts are looking for is an explosion from a static start.

Bench press
The bench press is a test of strength -- 225 pounds, as many reps as the athlete can get. What the NFL scouts are also looking for is endurance. Anybody can do a max one time, but what the bench press tells the pro scouts is how often the athlete frequented his college weight room for the last 3-5 years.

Vertical jump
The vertical jump is all about lower-body explosion and power. The athlete stands flat-footed and they measure his reach. It is important to accurately measure the reach, because the differential between the reach and the flag the athlete touches is his vertical jump measurement.

Broad jump
The broad jump is like being in gym class back in junior high school. Basically, it is testing an athlete's lower-body explosion and lower-body strength. The athlete starts out with a stance balanced and then he explodes out as far as he can. It tests explosion and balance, because he has to land without moving.

3 cone drill
The 3 cone drill tests an athlete's ability to change directions at a high speed. Three cones in an L-shape. He starts from the starting line, goes 5 yards to the first cone and back. Then, he turns, runs around the second cone, runs a weave around the third cone, which is the high point of the L, changes directions, comes back around that second cone and finishes.

Shuttle run
The short shuttle is the first of the cone drills. It is known as the 5-10-5. What it tests is the athlete's lateral quickness and explosion in short areas. The athlete starts in the three-point stance, explodse out 5 yards to his right, touches the line, goes back 10 yards to his left, left hand touches the line, pivot, and he turns 5 more yards and finishes.

EDIT: OK, this link goes straight to last years combine results pages, we should be able to cross reference against these results with our own in game rookies to try and gauge good/bad/average athletes.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

Just don't get too hooked up on a 'workout warrior' though!

[joejccva71]

http://www.nfl.com/combine/workouts

The lower the score for cone and shuttle ..the better. Those drills are especially important for RB's, WR's, LB's, CB's, and Safeties.