4th and Inches (Part Two)

[RaychelSnr]

In part two of 4th and Inches (read part one here), Kushmir Hassan lists the remaining fixes that he thinks would greatly improve the gameplay in Madden 10.

1. Rocket Catch – I watched a friend play online and witnessed his opponent getting interception after interception by clicking on the defender, going to the spot, turning around and leaping up to make picks. I also recently played a guy who used the Bears and did the rocket catch on the offensive side of the ball. My opponent was on his own 25-yard line with 10 seconds to go before the half. He called a play-action pass and did exactly the same thing that occurred in the defensive situation I explained above. Essentially, my opponent threw the ball to Devin Hester (frighteningly average at a 71), and Hester was able to leap up and take the ball away from Asante Samuel (95) and Quintin Mikell (86) who were playing a Cover 2 Man. My defenders never even jumped. Giving users the ability to trigger certain animations has always caused problems in Madden. A better system would allow us to press a button to make a "play" on the ball, but jumping diving and other animations would be triggered by a player’s attributes.

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[Stikskillz]

This is a good list. Too bad lists like this still have to be made though, especially after a game has been released a little over a month.

[LBzrule]

I think another solution for bump and run here is to just program better release/press behavior. They really need to re-program the animations and the behavior of the DB's. The way they have it here is a DB can hold a WR up at the line of scrimmage. The animation takes over and the WR has no choice of whether to be bumped or not, UNLESS you have unbumpable routes. They need to program more behaviors and animations for WR's to not get jammed so much. Jab step left then release right if the CB falls for the jab step. Strong WR's come off of the line and extend their arm and separate from the DB that way. Arm Chop the DB's hands and release inside or outside. These type of things should be implemented.


Forward Progress I agree, but I also see some other problems defensively too. Sometimes you hit the back in the backfield and then the animation just takes him forward for a 3 yard gain. In both cases it is momentum. Throwing curl routes and having a guy come back to the line of scrimmage like a dummy is annoying, but having a play read and getting into the backfield and hitting a back only to have the animation push both of you forward is just as annoying.

Pass D vs Run Formations - absolutely agree. I think one problem is the linemen try to block a spot and since there is no help logic then the uncovered linemen just run up the field and vacate gaps and that's when the DB's fill those holes and drop your HB for a loss. Secondly, it annoys me that a 330 lineman, is basically standing and dancing with a cornerback. Come on EA, either the CB should go low and try to derail this train or he is dumb enough to take on the man and get killed. How you have 330 linemen just running up and attaching to CB's is soft. Blow this man up and plant his a$$ into the dirt/turn. It's a cornerback for crying out loud.


They need to entitle Madden 2011 Trench Warfare and focus 70% of their game play efforts there. But that doesn't just mean at the line of scrimmage, that also means down field blocking. They also need to make sure that not every team is going to be good in the trenches. There is still a great degree of overlap in their game that does not distinguish the good OL and DL from the bad.

[fjccommish]

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"Giving users the ability to trigger certain animations has always caused problems in Madden. A better system would allow us to press a button to make a "play" on the ball, but jumping diving and other animations would be triggered by a player’s attributes."

Both users have the same ability. Taking away user ability to influence plays takes away any skill in the game.

[cplus10]

EA ALSO SHOULD LET U CHOOSE GAMEPLAY SPEED ONLINE

[backbreaker]

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This game is 1st and goal and that list is a from 2006, Madden 10 has eradicated all those legacy issues. Madden 10 plays a great game of football, you just have to be knowledgeable in what it does right and stop focusing on what you think it does wrong.

You know, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

[sicksteen]

Everything you said is true, unfortunately I dont see it becoming fixed because Madden would have to change their whole programming scheme which is something their just not willing to do. =(

[NavigatorD83]

Yeah the press coverage is irritating sometimes ok alot of the time. Im ready to see this game make another leap for Madden 11. I really enjoy this game but I do think they can make it that much better.

[SA1NT401]

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This is a good list. Too bad lists like this still have to be made though, especially after a game has been released a little over a month.

^^ Yup....

[marktg30]

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Looks like the Honeymoon is over for Ian and OSers for the most part. I can't say I am surprised.

I have a feeling the community day guys made a lot of suggestions that will be sifted into future Madden games starting in Madden 11 or 12.

I can't wait til they put player morale and other small parts of Madden into Next Gen games and call it a new feature.

[BezO]

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Too many fundamental issues missing from these 2 lists IMO.

[elgreazy1]

Here's a major fix: Audibles on Kickoffs. I've been having guys who fake Kickoffs only to switch up to Onside Kickoffs. Unfortunately, once you select your return package you can't audible to any other kind of kick return you are forced to use a timeout instead.

[huskerwr38]

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Looks like the Honeymoon is over for Ian and OSers for the most part. I can't say I am surprised.

I have a feeling the community day guys made a lot of suggestions that will be sifted into future Madden games starting in Madden 11 or 12.

I can't wait til they put player morale and other small parts of Madden into Next Gen games and call it a new feature.

I don't think there ever was a "honeymoon" period. People were up in arms from the demo version. Then to even make things worse, the devs went on vacation, and were completely absent from the forums. I remember Ian specifically saying something to the effect that most other years the devs go on vacation after the release but not them. But they did go on vacation. I'm not blaming them for the act of going on vacation, but I am calling him out for saying they don't go on vacation after the release, but then to turn around and do it.
But yes, this is a good list. It seems all the other sports games have caught up to the times, BUT why hasn't Madden the most popular sports game.

[bigal093]

This is a good list. Too bad lists like this still have to be made though, especially after a game has been released a little over a month.

im not trying to be critical, but there are so many bigger issues than these minor ones. they would be easy to fix, so fix these, but they really REALLY NEEEEEED to fix the 3-4. so many teams are going to it, and in madden it is a joke. its the 4-3 plays in a diff formation, and players play the same way as the 3-4

[stlstudios189]

Way to fix Madden list will always exsist period