Madden 10 Passing Game needs fixed...

[NFLHITMAN]

Just thought there should be more discussions on the passing issues in Madden 10 so I took a post of mine from a different thread to get it started. Let me know if you feel the same way or any other issues you are having.

I really hate the so called " Individual throwing styles "!

I am a Seahawk fan and the way they have Hasselbeck throwing motion is horrible! he has to have the slowest release in Madden 10 yet in real life he has a quicker release than most.

Whats funny is if you try and experiment with different QB's you will be dumbfounded if you have any real knowledge of the NFL and it players.

The quickest release I have seen in Madden 10 is Matt Shaub's. In real life he no quicker than Hasselbeck but in this game out of all the QB's I have tried his release is instantaneous LOL.

The best deep ball QB is Matt Ryan. When I practiced with Matt Ryan every single pass was picture perfect on bombs and any other pass also.

The other issue I have on the passing is there really is no medium trajectory. It is either really high or low. It is almost impossible to just lob a pass over a LB sitting in a zone without him picking it off.

Throwing a Bullet pass should not take forever for a ball to get there either. Has the Madden team ever heard of a QB sticking right between 2 defenders on a laser? In Madden 10 if you throw a bullet pass to an area of a zone it seems like it is just floating in the air instead of looking like a ball on a mission.

If they want to point to there passing game as being a staple of Madden 10 than they need to get these things right!

[baseballsim]

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So far, I like the new ratings. I use Nate Davis (49ers) because he has a strong arm. Every once in a while he'll overthrow a receiver but I can still win games with him.

[LionsFanNJ]

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What bothers me is when trying to throw certain route, sometimes if the WR is jammed the QB will throw the ball to where he currently is standing, instead of where he should be. Case in point, you almost have to wait for the WR to make his cut on an out before you throw it. most times the QB throws AS the WR makes his cut. Same for any route. Slants, comebacks, everything. Don't throw a comeback early, because then you're throwing a streak/fade (sometime)

Timing is off on the dropback and the routes as well. some plays run routes that need a deeper dropback than what the play is given. There are times when the play is there if the drops and passes would match the route, but the ball won't go there. You have to have a madden timing and not football timing. Its functional though. I think its along the lines of the animation speeds and ball speeds not matching up as well.

Also, before the patch QB's don't throw the fade routes to the right spot either. Now it doesn't really matter because of the route delay EA implemented.

before saying the whole system needs an overhaul (like a certain group) I think a good fix may be adjusting the speed of the ball and/or the defensive animations may go a long way in fixing some of this.

[NFLHITMAN]

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What bothers me is when trying to throw certain route, sometimes if the WR is jammed the QB will throw the ball to where he currently is standing, instead of where he should be. Case in point, you almost have to wait for the WR to make his cut on an out before you throw it. most times the QB throws AS the WR makes his cut. Same for any route. Slants, comebacks, everything. Don't throw a comeback early, because then you're throwing a streak/fade (sometime)

Timing is off on the dropback and the routes as well. some plays run routes that need a deeper dropback than what the play is given. There are times when the play is there if the drops and passes would match the route, but the ball won't go there. You have to have a madden timing and not football timing. Its functional though. I think its along the lines of the animation speeds and ball speeds not matching up as well.

Also, before the patch QB's don't throw the fade routes to the right spot either. Now it doesn't really matter because of the route delay EA implemented.

before saying the whole system needs an overhaul (like a certain group) I think a good fix may be adjusting the speed of the ball and/or the defensive animations may go a long way in fixing some of this.

Ahhh yes...

I tried to throw a deep out in my last game and I knew where he should cut and I threw before he cut expecting the ball to be where he will be in a second. Did that happen? NO! The ball targeted where he was at instead of where he should have been when I made the throw.

I really hope they fix this at least by Madden 11.

[CreatineKasey]

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Timing, route based passing would be nice.

The biggest want I have for the future is just authentic trajectory. Once you have it (APF) it is hard to go without it.

[NFLHITMAN]

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Timing, route based passing would be nice.

The biggest want I have for the future is just authentic trajectory. Once you have it (APF) it is hard to go without it.

Yes and it is the exact reason why I will be playing APF this weekend. QB's throw to a spot most of the time not where the WR is at but where they will be.

This has to happen in any football game who thinks it will be SIM or what you see on Sundays!

[huskerwr38]

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I agree 100% with the OP. You can't find a happy medium with the passes, if you try and lob it, it will go way up. If you throw a "bullet" it will be slow. The ball needs better trajectory and it needs to get to the WR A LOT quicker. In Madden the DB's can easily catch up to the ball. Also, it seems really hard to throw a deep ball out in front of the WR, can't really lead him.

The passing game is just so bad in so many ways. From the trajectory of the ball to the DB's having no physical rules, ie swatting and turning 180 degree in the air, not having to plant your foot when cutting, etc.)

[fourthreemafia]

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My biggest issue is the DBs running the receivers routes like he already knows the play. So aggravating and annoying.

But I agree with most of what the OP said.

[andre100672]

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yes yes yes !!!!! nothing worst than throwing a pass after the wr releases the bump n run an the pass is SEVERELY underthrown there is no logic to why.Its like you cant throw the same pass twice on Madden its impossible

[Senior Whitebread]

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My biggest issue is the DBs running the receivers routes like he already knows the play. So aggravating and annoying.

But I agree with most of what the OP said.

I would rather have that as a current fix than throw 35 straight completions with Vince Young like I have in recent Maddens (I think it was 08). For now, the DBs covering that way is alright with me as long as they are working to fix it.

And I've noticed that if you make the throw just after the cut is made, the throw is picture perfect most of the time. When the cut happens, the receiver "stops" so the QB AI sees that as the end of the route, for some reason. It only takes a moment later to throw, but at times that can mean a sack or a wobbly duck rather than a great fade/out.

[BlueNGold]

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100% agree with this. Probably my biggest issue with the game is the passing or more specifically the DB/LB reactions. Hell, I remember reading a post about how even Donny Moore was trippin about how the DBs/LBs reacted in the game. Also, I found it funny that this topic gets made the day I absolutely lose my mind playing online against some guy that sat back in zone coverage the entire game and I end up throwing about 4 picks with Brees against the Cowboys. Sure, 1 or 2 were user error but the rest were absolute bull**** because of the way the DB play is in this game. A few things off the top of my head that NEED to be fixed next year to make the passing better:

1. The fact that almost every time a swat animation is activated, the DB makes the play on the ball. I almost never see a DB stick a hand out to swat the ball and miss it.

2. Backpedaling as fast as a Receiver running forward.

3. The "Backpack Swat" animations.

4. The times where a DB runs your Receiver's route for him.

5. How fast even the worst of corners break on the ball.

6. Lack of jostling between WR/DB

7. Realistic jump balls. The Calvin Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss receivers in the NFL should be able to go up and make a play on almost any ball.

8. Passing over the middle CANNOT be money anymore.

9. The ability to throw any and every route in the game. Comebacks, Curls, Corners, etc should all be able to be completed. Maybe not by the lesser QB's in the league but certain QB's should be able to make every throw, like real life.

10. Speed of the passes. Like someone else posted, bullet passes seem to hang in the air for too long and it's almost impossible to squeeze passes into tight throwing windows like a Favre/Manning/Brees/Brady, etc, etc. It should still be hard to do this but not as hard when using the guys I mentioned above and other top level QB's.

11. QB's should throw to spots on the field and where the Receiver should be, not exactly where he is when you throw it.

12. Some type of footplanting technology for DB's so if a DB turns his hips one way and a receiver makes his cut off of that going the opposite way it'll be almost impossible for the DB to recover and make a play.

That's all I can think of right now but yeah, passing needs serious work next year.

[steelcurtain311]

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Honestly, Madden's passing game is the most painfully unrealistic aspect of the game in my opinion. When you watch what happens on Sundays, this isn't even CLOSE to football. Not that it has to be 100% perfect or anything, but it's just so far from the way it should be. Everything BlueandGold said, I agree with 100%.

How in the world does every DB backpeddle faster than a WR runs? So if I send Steve Smith straight down the field, and his man is backpeddling, Steve won't get a ridiculous jump on him and be wide open? According to Madden he won't. It doesn't really matter, since the throw will be way off anyways, due to the goofy passing accuracy. Why is the ball never where it should be? Why can't you throw directly over your man's shoulder and drop it in when he's in stride, like most QB's do? Why can't you throw simple routes like fades to the back of the end zone? Or sideline passes? Why can't you throw to a spot?

The DB/WR animations and battles are terrible. Why does the DB swat everything near him? He never misses? That's odd. Why does the ball hang in the air long enough for 4 DB's to get to it (regardless of where they are before it's thrown) before it comes down, and swat it or pick it? Why do my WR's just stand there when the ball is coming down and do nothing? Larry Fitzgerald doesn't go up and get it? Since when? THAT is something that really pisses me off. Your WR's are so lifeless. They don't go up and get it, they don't fight for the ball, they do nothing. Since when do WR's just stand there and not even attempt to make a catch? The animations for the WR/DB going up for the ball together are downright terrible and don't even make sense. You can't exploit matchups, it doesn't matter who is guarding who.

Madden's passing game needs a SERIOUS overhaul. Can we please, please, please, get some real WR/DB animations and gameplay? You can't make routine throws that are done every Sunday in every game. It's absolutely mindboggling that EA neglects this area the way that they do.

[TombSong]

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My how history repeats itself.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...se-thread.html

Ian made some good post in this thread also(name was thefuture15 back then)

LBzrule put in some great vids starting here:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-thread-6.html


The speed of the ball is too slow in the current game on deep passes OR we can say the speed/ability of the DB's is to good and they can cover to much ground by the time the ball gets to where its thrown.

Also there are times you cant lead a WR once he has beat his press because instead the QB throws the ball to where the WR is instead of way out in front of the WR.

Its also difficult dang nigh impossible to get air under the ball to throw over the under coverage without the ball staying in the air too long that allows the safeties to recover break up the pass. A pass they never should have humanly been able to make a play on.

[Jesus]

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100% agree with this. Probably my biggest issue with the game is the passing or more specifically the DB/LB reactions. Hell, I remember reading a post about how even Donny Moore was trippin about how the DBs/LBs reacted in the game. Also, I found it funny that this topic gets made the day I absolutely lose my mind playing online against some guy that sat back in zone coverage the entire game and I end up throwing about 4 picks with Brees against the Cowboys. Sure, 1 or 2 were user error but the rest were absolute bull**** because of the way the DB play is in this game. A few things off the top of my head that NEED to be fixed next year to make the passing better:

1. The fact that almost every time a swat animation is activated, the DB makes the play on the ball. I almost never see a DB stick a hand out to swat the ball and miss it.

2. Backpedaling as fast as a Receiver running forward.

3. The "Backpack Swat" animations.

4. The times where a DB runs your Receiver's route for him.

5. How fast even the worst of corners break on the ball.

6. Lack of jostling between WR/DB

7. Realistic jump balls. The Calvin Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss receivers in the NFL should be able to go up and make a play on almost any ball.

8. Passing over the middle CANNOT be money anymore.

9. The ability to throw any and every route in the game. Comebacks, Curls, Corners, etc should all be able to be completed. Maybe not by the lesser QB's in the league but certain QB's should be able to make every throw, like real life.

10. Speed of the passes. Like someone else posted, bullet passes seem to hang in the air for too long and it's almost impossible to squeeze passes into tight throwing windows like a Favre/Manning/Brees/Brady, etc, etc. It should still be hard to do this but not as hard when using the guys I mentioned above and other top level QB's.

11. QB's should throw to spots on the field and where the Receiver should be, not exactly where he is when you throw it.

12. Some type of footplanting technology for DB's so if a DB turns his hips one way and a receiver makes his cut off of that going the opposite way it'll be almost impossible for the DB to recover and make a play.

That's all I can think of right now but yeah, passing needs serious work next year.

co-sign

you forgot to mention psychic receivers who know when the ball is coming


ROUTE BASED PASSING IS A MUST

[jonesha2000]

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This my friends is why I cannot WAIT until Tuesday. Being that I only play sports games, Madden is pretty much all I have been playing. When the two NBA games come out I can honestly say that I believe I will place Madden on the shelf for a very, very long time. This game has really brought out some things in me that I did not know was there....

1. The WRs drop too many passes. A WR can be soooo wide open between two defenders and you try to throw a bullet too him and it takes so long to get there that the DB comes and hit him on the legs and cause him to drop the ball....or you get the animation where the DB climbs up his back and knocks it down.

2. Why does an over throw always go directly to a DB? It could only be your WR and the DB in a 20 yard area and the QB will throw the ball directly to a DB.

3. DBs are really the WR once the ball is in the air. DB's can strafe and jump 10 feet in the air, they react with super human speed to get to the ball.

4. How many times has your WR made a one handed catch? I have played over 200 games online and I have NEVER seen a WR on either side of the ball make a 1 handed catch. But I can tell you about 40 times I have seen a DB and a LINEBACKER make a one handed pick and that is way out of line.

5. The broken fade route and the RB slant route out of the backfield that was apparently implemented by EA. WR walking on routes is just simply unacceptable. Go to your playbook and use one of the WR fade plays(not a hot route) and watch your WR walk his route. Call a hot route for your RB to run a slant route out of the backfield and watch him walk his route, run for a second, and then walk again. Complete bullcrap.

6. Like someone else mentioned...Fitz, Cal Johnson, Marques Colston and I would say Steve Smith should be jumping to go up for balls. I see this EVERY sunday and do not see this in Madden. I'm sick of it. But you'll see a 60 rated DB jump higher than Dwight Howard to get a pick.

I have resorted to playing with low level teams and just picking random playbooks online because I am just trying something interesting until the release of the NBA games. I don't think they will fix the DB/WR interaction this year...I may just totally retire Madden and that is totally unheard of for anyone that knows me. I can honestly say this is the most frustrating Madden I have ever played.