Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

[Valdarez]

After spending the last two weeks working with the sliders, I've come to the conclusion that there are certain things that just can't be fixed. I'll go through the list I've accumulated, then others can sound off on whether they've experienced the same thing or have other items they believe are more pressing.

1. The CPU blitzes too much. Worse, it blitzes more when it gets behind which just causes a bad situation to get worse for it.

2. QB's will throw into coverage, even double coverage when pressured instead of tacking the sack, tucking the ball and running, or even throwing it away. This leads to an exceptionally high interception rate.

3. Interception slider cannot stop all interceptions. When the interception slider is set to 0, then it should be impossible to make an interception. Instead, CB's can still make INTs at alarming rates (even with high QB accuracy / WR catching). Interceptions need tuned such that the gamer can have control of them properly via the sliders.

4. Weather conditions have an alarming affect on fumbles. The weather is definitely going to have an affect on games, but the amount of fumbles caused by weather is completely out of balance with what's seen in a typical NFL game. We can control Fumbles via the fumble slider, but if you tune it for weather conditions then you never see fumbles in clear weather conditions, and if you tune it for clear weather conditions you see too many fumbles in rainy/snow conditions. The rainy/snow effects on fumbles needs to be tuned down to about half of whatever they are currently set.

5. The offsides and false starts penalties need to be more sensitive. Even at 100 on both you rarely see a false start (maybe 1 every 3 games on 15 minute quarters) and I have yet to see an offsides penalty ever. Offsides need to be tuned so penalties actually occur at times.

Are there others I left out?

These aren't really big changes. They should all be configuration changes. If these changes were made it would allow us to create more realistic sliders and a more realistic gameplay for offline franchises.

[mm boost]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

I actually, have not had any of these problems. On last year's madden, I threw 3-4 interceptions for every touchdown I threw, but this year, I throw very few and my defense has very few, and actually, we are last in the league in takeaways. I also have no problems with fumbles, or qb's throwing into coverage. I am running vaibhavp3's sliders now with some tweaks made to them, and game plays just like it should. I have played with playmaker's and steeler's sliders, but never had the issues you are talking about, I rarely throw interceptions unless its just a bad decision on my part, like I threw one last night way over the head of jason witten and it landed right in the safety's breadbasket.

[d3athb4dishonor]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

If I run the same play over and over against the computer they should make adjustments to take that play away... I don't do this, but I've tried it just to see how the computer reacts if I throw the same post over the middle and very seldom to they stop it.

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

ok list but how does that really make the game better every game

how about

Qb's pass to their best players like the pros, maybe 6 catches to fitz a game maybe

Rb's run more aggressive and maybe a guy like turner drop his pads to finish a run instead of running out of bounds

cpu recognising the first down marker and get to it aggressively when passing and running

[kpkpkp]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

Sim stats!!!!!!!1

[d3athb4dishonor]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

Ohh yea... How about being able to win a fight for the fumble against the computer... The bar may be in your favor, but as soon as it switches to the next button its over lol

[Dianwei32]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

I don't know why people keep saying that there are too many INTs. I have the INT slider at 10 and get maybe 1 INT every 2 games. my DBs have 5-7 passes a game that they go for the pick, it hits them square in the hands, and hey just drop it (however, Darrelle Revis is pretty adept at pulling in one-handed INTs).

Typically the only way I get INTs are if it's Revis or my ballhawking FS (each end up with 4-5 over a season) or if it's tipped.. Even the tipped ones that hit players in the chest and roll down their bodies are a coin flip as to whether or not their 90+ AWR is enough to realize that they can grab the ball.

[Valdarez]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

I don't know why people keep saying that there are too many INTs. I have the INT slider at 10 and get maybe 1 INT every 2 games. my DBs have 5-7 passes a game that they go for the pick, it hits them square in the hands, and hey just drop it (however, Darrelle Revis is pretty adept at pulling in one-handed INTs).

Doesn't matter how many INTs there are, or are not, the point is the sliders are meant to give us control and with the way they currently work they do not. We need more control in order to counter the poor AI and all the picks the CPU throws. Realize the average turnover rate in the NFL is around 2 turnovers (that includes fumbles) per game. Even playing with the INT slider on 0 and QB Accuracy / WR high, you can still get a high number of picks.

[mavfan21]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

Isn't it a little late for this wish list?

[Valdarez]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

Isn't it a little late for this wish list?

I haven't seen a complete Patch #2 Fixes List yet, only a partial list of some changes. One would think that most of the changes above are simply value setting changes and would require more effort to test than to actually change.

[salbowski]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

Patch 2 has already been submitted

Nothing else can be added if it wasn't already in.

[Valdarez]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

Patch 2 has already been submitted

Nothing else can be added if it wasn't already in.

Link to the patch notes? I searched the forums and came up empty on it.

[jacory12]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

Ohh yea... How about being able to win a fight for the fumble against the computer... The bar may be in your favor, but as soon as it switches to the next button its over lol

How bout just turn that crap off lol. I can't stand it, it's a waste of energy and so unrealistic.

[KBLover]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

3. Interception slider cannot stop all interceptions. When the interception slider is set to 0, then it should be impossible to make an interception. Instead, CB's can still make INTs at alarming rates (even with high QB accuracy / WR catching). Interceptions need tuned such that the gamer can have control of them properly via the sliders.

The whole passing engine needs to be re-done. It's a shame INTs have to be turned down so low to begin with.

Too many chances for INTs - defenders should only try for picks when they are in good position to do so. Otherwise, they should try to tip/bat the ball away.

I mean, even throws into tight spaces and double coverage don't always turn into INTs.

And off-target throws don't always go to defenders, but very frequently in Madden, they do.

Basically, I think the game generates too many opportunities for a pick. It's like the engine forces you to either have a ton of completions or incompletions via a ton of dropped INTs.

5. The offsides and false starts penalties need to be more sensitive. Even at 100 on both you rarely see a false start (maybe 1 every 3 games on 15 minute quarters) and I have yet to see an offsides penalty ever. Offsides need to be tuned so penalties actually occur at times.

Penalties need to stop being animations and just be called at a certain rate.

When I saw the AI get away with false starts (CPU O-Lineman jumps, he acts like he screwed up, but the play went on anyway), I was done with penalties. I know all penalties don't get called even if they do happen, stuff like holding and PI don't always get called even if it's questionable, but I've never seen false start be one of those, and if it is, they lineman shouldn't act like he screwed up (he should only do that if he got caught, otherwise, he's too busy running the play).

Players also need to not always avoid making penalties. I think that's why things like roughing the passer or PI don't happen, the game is programmed to make players not cause those penalties. Their AWR should impact that (as well as the penalty slider), not something that hardcodes the AI into not making those mistakes.

[G-Men_in_Mass]

Re: Must Have Fixes for Patch #2

Doesn't matter how many INTs there are, or are not, the point is the sliders are meant to give us control and with the way they currently work they do not. We need more control in order to counter the poor AI and all the picks the CPU throws. Realize the average turnover rate in the NFL is around 2 turnovers (that includes fumbles) per game. Even playing with the INT slider on 0 and QB Accuracy / WR high, you can still get a high number of picks.

This is just not true! I have played 3 full season with the Giants and only have had one 3 INT game and the must for one playr was 7. and as far as fumbles in bad weather? I do see more fumbles in bad weather, just like you should!