Putting a player in motion

[2Koalition]

I play NFL 2K5 (obviously) and Madden 2010 for PS3. I even played Madden 2010 for PS2 for which my friend prefers over PS3 Madden.

Anyway, to the point - when I put a player in motion I want to check if the defense is running a man to man or zone coverage scheme but problem is here. Once I put a guy say Steve Smith in motion, he goes to the spot I put him in motion, why can't I motion him back to where he was as he is walking up to the spot? I think this should be fixed for Madden 11. Especially with that accelerated clock online I have no time to read the defense and make my assesment.

[silverandblack]

Re: Putting a player in motion

I've said this for years... if i put a guy in motion, i should be able to reverse him back to where he started BEFORE he finishes his entire motion. Havent been able to do this for as long as i can remember, anyways. You should also be able to put another guy in motion after the first guy completes his motion -- can't ever remember being able to do this either.

[Exonerated]

Re: Putting a player in motion

You can 'reset the play'. And he'll run back really quickly to his original position.

[Valdarez]

Re: Putting a player in motion

I noticed that as well and thought it was strange. Have they ever explained why you can't do this? My guess is they are trying to limit defense out of position problems.

[BezO]

Re: Putting a player in motion

Another vote for the ability to stop a player mid-motion & send him back.

We also need the ability to motion a 2nd player once the first is set. Better yet, give us a penalty we actually control and let us motion a 2nd player while the first is still in motion, and throw the flag if we don't let them set for a second.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Putting a player in motion

It was stated that it was removed (being able to send man back before he reaching the other side) to help fight "cheesers"/cheaters..whatever you want to call them as there was some king of exploit when doing it.
I asked about this a while back and was told (not sure which dev and it may have been an NCAA dev question) they also liked that ability and would look into it and see if it could be brought back.

[Valdarez]

Re: Putting a player in motion

It was stated that it was removed (being able to send man back before he reaching the other side) to help fight "cheesers"/cheaters..whatever you want to call them as there was some king of exploit when doing it.
I asked about this a while back and was told (not sure which dev and it may have been an NCAA dev question) they also liked that ability and would look into it and see if it could be brought back.

Ahhh... Thatnks for the explanation. Do you know if this was with the Madden 10 development team? Or awhile back with a previous version?

[rspencer86]

Re: Putting a player in motion

It was stated that it was removed (being able to send man back before he reaching the other side) to help fight "cheesers"/cheaters..whatever you want to call them as there was some king of exploit when doing it.
I asked about this a while back and was told (not sure which dev and it may have been an NCAA dev question) they also liked that ability and would look into it and see if it could be brought back.

That shouldn't be a long-term excuse for not having this in the game, though. You see guys go in motion then reverse directions all of the time, and a lot of teams put more than one player in motion before a play.

Fix whatever makes motioning exploitable and get this in the game. "Everything you see on Sundays," right?

[DonkeyJote]

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You shouldn't be able to put players in motion at all. Qb's don't go to the line a decide "I think I'll move Steve Smith to the other side of the formation." If there's motion, it was originally part of the play.

Plus, you shouldn't be able to move a player back after sending him in motion, because you would never see that in real life. I could see having a guy stop halfway and move back, but that doesn't happen very often either.

If you want to read man/zone, do it like a real QB would. Look at where the LB's are lining up. After the snap, the first thing I always read is the LB's and Safetys. They will tell you if its man or zone.

[jvaccaro]

Re: Putting a player in motion

I could see having a guy stop halfway and move back, but that doesn't happen very often either.

actually, this happens all the time.

this should definitely be allowed in madden.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Putting a player in motion

actually, this happens all the time.

this should definitely be allowed in madden.

You misunderstand me. This does happen, but it is predetermined much of the time. It is a part of the play. Occasionally, they will just add this on to an already existing play in the huddle, but not very often. If a guy goes in motion at any time in an offense, it's almost always a part of the play, not something added in at the line of scrimmage. There should be much, much more motion in the Madden playbooks, but most, if not all, LOS motioning should be gone. It just doesn't happen in the NFL. It's not something you "see on Sundays."

[Valdarez]

Re: Putting a player in motion

You shouldn't be able to put players in motion at all. Qb's don't go to the line a decide "I think I'll move Steve Smith to the other side of the formation." If there's motion, it was originally part of the play.

Plus, you shouldn't be able to move a player back after sending him in motion, because you would never see that in real life. I could see having a guy stop halfway and move back, but that doesn't happen very often either.

If you want to read man/zone, do it like a real QB would. Look at where the LB's are lining up. After the snap, the first thing I always read is the LB's and Safetys. They will tell you if its man or zone.

I'm fairly certain I've seen then put a guy in motion and send them back to see if they are in man or zone.

[marcus82]

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I never was one of those guys who needed to motion presnap every single play to get the coverage. I didn't have the patience for it. But I understand why you would want to do it. Goal line passes are much easier if you can get a read on what kind of defense your'e facing.

I'm glad they have crippled the reversing aspect of motioning because man align apparently hasn't been programmed into this game for the last 3 years. depending on which defense you are running if you don't flip your defense in response to motion you could end up with men completely out of postion to defend the pass. madden does a terrible of job of man coverage reassignment.

oddly enough man align is an option in the manual but it is non-existent in the game. One would assume a feature set that is part of the game's literature would at least be introduced with the second patch.

[Speedy]

Re: Putting a player in motion

You shouldn't be able to put players in motion at all. Qb's don't go to the line a decide "I think I'll move Steve Smith to the other side of the formation." If there's motion, it was originally part of the play.

I agree & disagree; some plays are designed for motion so the QB can dicipher coverage and some I think is instituted by the QB (ever watched Peyton Manning play ). Also, sometimes the QB puts a player in motion (mainly WRs or RBs) to help "chip" a DL and help the OL.

Plus, you shouldn't be able to move a player back after sending him in motion, because you would never see that in real life. I could see having a guy stop halfway and move back, but that doesn't happen very often either.

Again, this does happen in real life where the slot or outside receiver will go from one side of the field (say the right side) to a step or two outside of the LT then back again. Most of it is usually play action or run purposes however while sometimes it's used to give the receiver a clean break against bump-n-run coverage.

If you want to read man/zone, do it like a real QB would. Look at where the LB's are lining up. After the snap, the first thing I always read is the LB's and Safetys. They will tell you if its man or zone.

Ever heard of disguising coverages? There's a reason QBs use motion to try to understand the defense quicker and before the snap.

[RayAllen20]

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Yes I wish we would have this back, minus the cheese of it. I know for a fact QBs decide to do this sometimes in the huddle. It is not designed every time. So in the huddle we could tell a certain WR to do it. Ofcourse in Madden there is no way to tell specific players what to do, so we should be given the ability to just send people in motion and back.