Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

[TNT713]

Yup... Only 2 of these routes were thrown more than once...

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All of these passes were thrown BEFORE the receivers made their cuts. Some earlier than others. The Post route that is in the vid twice, is one I had never tried to lead led before, so it's in there twice because I wanted to get another look at leading it...

My favorite is the Corner at the end... the ball travels about 8 yards in the air before the receiver breaks.

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[Pass_The_Cows]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

Now do it with a defense on the field and see what happens

[atomant94]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

Now do it with a defense on the field and see what happens

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[TNT713]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

Now do it with a defense on the field and see what happens

Defense is irrelevant. What matters is the mechanics of whether you can route based pass or not... The answer is YES, you can.

Showing you what you thought was impossible is not only possible, but something that can be done in less than 10 minutes with at least 5 different routes and most any receiver...

I guess it's no use fighting... Name your defense. I'll do another vid.

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[Pass_The_Cows]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

I'm pretty sure almost everyone is aware you can throw a ball a step or two at the cut but it is nowhere near what APF2k8 has. Plus the CBs seem to jump the route even more often when you throw it at the cut.

[bprioleau]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

The passes you threw were essentially just thrown to the wr early rather than being based on where he is supposed to be going.
Ex: Run another Post or Out Route or Anything for that matter, but this time let the receiver keep running his route and then try to lead him, the qb won't do it, he'll throw it right to the receiver or over throw him by 5yds or so.
This would work perfect vs Zone (gotta hit the receiver between the #'s) in the window, or if your wr is wide open. But vs Man-Man, if the Defender has any talent he'll make a play on the ball, or in Madden's case make a death-defying INT
The passing IMO should be Coverage based.

[TNT713]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

The passes you threw were essentially just thrown to the wr early rather than being based on where he is supposed to be going.
Ex: Run another Post or Out Route or Anything for that matter, but this time let the receiver keep running his route and then try to lead him, the qb won't do it, he'll throw it right to the receiver or over throw him by 5yds or so.
This would work perfect vs Zone (gotta hit the receiver between the #'s) in the window, or if your wr is wide open. But vs Man-Man, if the Defender has any talent he'll make a play on the ball, or in Madden's case make a death-defying INT
The passing IMO should be Coverage based.

You can lead a receiver after his cut as well. It is more pronounced on long throw, slow, arcing throws.

I just did another video... I'll edit it tomorrow after work. This time it's Deep outs and hooks vs. Man defense. Got some good ones...

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[Valdarez]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

This isn't route based passing. It's Lead Passing. It's completely different. In the example I provided, there's no use of any Lead Passing (Max Passing) to actually hit the receiver in their route. You're using Lead Passing to attempt to pick a spot to where the WR is meant to run their route in an attempt to mimic route based passing.

This is real route based passing. Not emulated. Notice the ball leaves the QB's hand before the receiver even begins making the cuts on their routes. There's no use of Max Passing to achieve route based passing in the examples below.

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The addition of route based passing is only half of the problem. The big problem with Madden is the ability to throw/catch anytime, which simply isn't realistic, and it's the primary reason Madden has had to add to many defensive cheats to the game in order to compensate for the unrealistic passing game.

[TNT713]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

As promised... Video #2 of a 3 part set... There's no audio on this, but I may add it if the discussion requires that the video be narrated.

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NONE of the passes in this video used "Lead" on any of the passes. There is no action on the stick in any of these throws. The only variations are:

- Intended Receiver
- Pressure on the icon button
- Speed on the icon button
- Timing of the throw

The footage for part 3 is already on tape... All I need is a video to prove that I can actually do it with ONE FINGER. I'll get someone to film me doing it on Sunday... Look for part 3 soon.

If there are still naysayers after part 3 is done... I'm not going to know what to tell ya.

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[raiders81tim]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

Thats great, but doing this in a real game will just get you a ton of ints. It's nice thats its there, but whats the point if it doesn't function correctly in game?

[Valdarez]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

As promised... Video #2 of a 3 part set... There's no audio on this, but I may add it if the discussion requires that the video be narrated.

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NONE of the passes in this video used "Lead" on any of the passes. There is no action on the stick in any of these throws. The only variations are:

- Intended Receiver
- Pressure on the icon button
- Speed on the icon button
- Timing of the throw

The footage for part 3 is already on tape... All I need is a video to prove that I can actually do it with ONE FINGER. I'll get someone to film me doing it on Sunday... Look for part 3 soon.

If there are still naysayers after part 3 is done... I'm not going to know what to tell ya.

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Some funky video you got going on there. Think it's qualifies as the most arrogant/annoying commentary in a video I've ever subjugated myself to as well.

Short TE Out
On the 1st TE out, the TE does not run an out. It's a bad pass and the TE adjusts to the pass. Look at where the red circle is and where the TE runs to... it's not an out pattern like the TE was supposed to run. It's just the throw + catch mechanic that's already in the game. And yes, you through a bad pass in the direction the TE was running. Just look at the direction the TE is pointed when the ball leaves the QB's hand. heh

Deep TE OUT
On the Deep TE Out, again the receiver isn't running their route, they are going to the spot the ball is being thrown to. You can even see based on the play the TE is meant to go to the 18 but cuts at the 22. Based on this, I not sure we can trust anything that's in your video. You've shown that you can do lead passing, and you've tried to pass it off as route based passing before.

Everyone of those looked like a receiver reacting to a pass in order to make a catch. No a receiver running a route and then looking for the ball. When I see a ball thrown to a point, and the receiver react to it, without running their route, it's not route based passing. It's madden's throw and react catching, which is not the same thing.

[Valdarez]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

Thats great, but doing this in a real game will just get you a ton of ints. It's nice thats its there, but whats the point if it doesn't function correctly in game?

Exactly. Even 'if' it did exist in Madden (which it doesn't), you couldn't throw the pass because you can read the coverage properly before a break. You could have a DB on the inside, and throw the ball on an out, and the DB will make a cut on the ball before the receiver does and make the INT. Adding route based passing, for it to be worthwhile to use, will mean getting rid of the throw/catch anytime passing mechanic (which really is for 'casual' players), replacing it with route based passing, taking away the psychic DB cheat that Madden uses to make up for bad AI (mainly due to the throw/catch anytime passing mechanic), and making sure that inside/outside/above/below coverage give up something on the coverage.

[TNT713]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

Thats great, but doing this in a real game will just get you a ton of ints. It's nice thats its there, but whats the point if it doesn't function correctly in game?

So if I provide GAME FOOTAGE where:

1) The ball is NOT thrown in the direction of the receivers motion at the time of the throw
2) The receiver makes a plant cut (dips body instead of just turning) AFTER the ball it is released
3) The ball is thrown to a mark on the route where the receiver will be AFTER the cut

Would you then AGREE at least that it's POSSIBLE?

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[Valdarez]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

I went into practice mode to try to do what you are doing. Here's what I walked away with.

1. Route Based Passing Does Not Exist in Madden (sorry, it just doesn't)
2. It is possible to pass to a point along the route.
3. It is VERY difficult to pass to a point along the route.
4. It becomes easier to pass to a point along the route the slower the ball is thrown.
5. It's impossible to throw a bullet pass to a point along the route. Only normal and lob passes may be thrown.
6. The receiver NEVER runs their route when you throw to a point. NEVER. The receiver breaks off whatever they were doing and runs towards the ball. Which is the way every other throw/catch in Madden works.

I'll give you that you can pass along the route via a VERY small window and only via normal/slow passes, and not in any effective manner, and definitely not in any way that can be used in a game. Primarily due to all of the cheats the have enacted simply to counter the throw/catch anytime passing mechanic. You should note that the examples I provided in my video is how I play APF2K8, and how I beat coverages. In Madden I'd end up a slew of interceptions if I tried the same thing.

[CreatineKasey]

Re: Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

Route based passing does exist to some extent in Madden 10. Go run a corner-post double move. Throw it early, take some juice off the throw.... you'll lead it on the post. Is it up to APF quality? Of course not, but it's there in some capacity.