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  • damien6663
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    • Dec 2008
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    #1

    Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

    So as we all are eagerly awaiting the 2011 rookie ratings i thought it would be fun if we all do our best Donny impression and rate the incoming rookies. I will take the first crack on it, i am a bit of a ratings stretcher (traditionally i feel madden has rated to much based on draft position) so here are my takes on it.

    The first number will be current rating, the 2nd potential. I will provide description for some players.

    1- Cam Newton 74,91

    I am not a fan of Cam as a number 1 pick, i feel like he will be thrust into the spotlight year one when he really needs a few years to sit and adjust, potential is there but it also was with Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell.

    2- Von Miller 78, 93

    Miller is ready to make an impact as a nfl rookie he brings incredible pass rushing ability to the table. However he may be more suited to a 3-4, it is yet to be seen if the broncos made the right move.

    3- Marcell Dareus 78, 88

    Very safe and solid pick, expect him to disrupt in the middle for years to come, id say he will be a consistently good player but never a true elite at his position. Also an nfl ready prospect.

    4-Aj Green, 81, 95

    Widely considered one of the best 3 prospects of the draft green will come in and make an immediate impact he has the potential to be a perennial all pro.

    5- Patrick Peterson 82, 99

    The best player to come out in this draft, will be the next shutdown corner in the nfl in 5 years people wil be talking about revis and peterson as the nfl's 2 premiere corners.

    6- Julio Jones 77, 87

    Clocks faster then he plays, will not be the playmaker that the falcons are expecting him to be however will turn into a great possesion receiver and redzone threat (for some reason he reminds me a lil of Keyshawn Johnson).

    7- Aldon Smith 75, 85

    8- Jake Locker 72, 94

    To me Locker has the most potential of the quarterback class of 2011, i feel he has been over analyzed and it is hard to throw behind a crap o-line while running for your life. This guy wills a team to win, he might be a little raw and will probably always be a high risk reward qb but so was brett.

    9- Tyron Smith 76,84

    Week class for round 1 lineman, will be solid but no jake long.

    10- Blaine Gabbert 78, 85

    To me he is an intangible guy, i think he will be more of a game manager then franchise guy, i do believe that he is more NFL ready then cam, or locker tho.

    11- jj Watt 76, 86

    I do not like what the texans are doing on defense at all, i will leave it at that.

    12- Christian Ponder 78, 82

    NFL ready with a low ceiling, i do not think he will get much better then he already is. Chad pennington type quarterback not some one who u take at 12.

    13- Nick Fairley 79, 92

    Gona bring the heat with SUH, the lions have a great young d line in the making.

    14- Robert Quin 76, 88

    If their is one thing spags can do, its develop DE's im confident the guy he picks will be a good player.

    15- Mike Pouncey 78,91

    NFL ready, good genetics will be a good player for a long time.

    16- Ryan Kerrgian 74, 82

    Not a fan of the player or pick, maybe shanny see's something i do not?

    17- Nate Solder 75, 85

    Another just solid tackle in the nfl

    18- Corey Liuget 77, 86

    19-Prince amukamara 78, 87

    I can understand why he fell to the spot he did, i see him being a good corner but never elite. (im a gman fan for life btw)

    20- Adrian Clayborn 76 88

    Good pick for a team on the rise.

    21- Phil Taylor 78, 86

    A big clogger, his real life skills will not translate to madden.

    22- Anthony Castonzo 75, 83

    23- Danny Watkins 75, 79

    Do not understand this pick at all, age leads to a low ceiling

    24- Cameron Jordan 76, 87

    25- Jamer Carpented 70, 82

    Terrible reach.

    26- Jonathan Baldwin 74, 88

    27- Jimmy Smith 74, 90

    I like this kids skills and potential we will see if he can keep his head in it.

    28- Mark Ingram 79, 87

    I think he will be a good not great running back in the nfl will be constent but not a gamebreaker.

    29- Gabe Carimi 74, 83

    30- muhammed wilkerson 76, 83

    31- Cam Heyward, 75, 84

    32- Derrek Sherod 73, 87

    The pack knows how to draft and develop player he wil turn into a very solid player.

    ** Other Notable**

    Andy Dalton 76, 83 (low ceiling)

    Colin Kaepernick 70, 87 (He has potential do i think he will realize it in san fran?? NO..but with good coaching and time on the bench i think he could be a good player.)

    Ryan Mallet 66, 90 (When he does get a chance in 4 years he will be a belicheck polished qb with a rocket arm. He would fail in alot of places if he went in round 1 like many projected but he will sit and learn from some of the best coaches and players.
  • damien6663
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    • Dec 2008
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    #2
    Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

    Please note, that even though i think certain players will be busts, their potential rating is not necessarily an indication.

    For instance i think Cam will bust and be out of the league in 3 years. however he does have potential hopefully madden progression can reckognize performance more into determining who reaches their potential.

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    • boilerup23
      Rookie
      • May 2011
      • 29

      #3
      Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

      Kerrigan is a 74 overall but Ponder is a 78? Give me a break. Kerrigan is the best DE in the draft with an incredible motor, 82 potential seems too low as well.
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      • WildeCane
        Rookie
        • May 2011
        • 155

        #4
        Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

        Originally posted by boilerup23
        Kerrigan is a 74 overall but Ponder is a 78? Give me a break. Kerrigan is the best DE in the draft with an incredible motor, 82 potential seems too low as well.
        No way ponder is a 78. What did he even do at state? He underachieved greatly
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        • boilerup23
          Rookie
          • May 2011
          • 29

          #5
          Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

          Guessing Ponder will be around 72 overall because of where he was drafted, personally I would rate him lower.
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          • Jarodd21
            Hall Of Fame
            • Dec 2010
            • 10556

            #6
            Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

            Yeah I definitely felt you overrated Ponder even though you kept his ceiling low. He should be around a 69 or 70.. Everything else looks on point but I don't think Cam will be no bust..
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            • damien6663
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              • Dec 2008
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              #7
              Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

              remeber personal OPINION!!! Make your own one also, never said mine is correct alot of this is subjective.

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              • damien6663
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                • Dec 2008
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                #8
                Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

                Originally posted by boilerup23
                Guessing Ponder will be around 72 overall because of where he was drafted, personally I would rate him lower.

                very possible, i feel like he might be one of the most ready to jump in from day one though.

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                • brettmickey
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 319

                  #9
                  Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

                  I'll just stick with Marcell Dareus since I know him best. I say he should start with an 80 overall (Definately pro ready, one of the most pro ready players in the draft) and I'll put his potential at a 92 for now (I believe he has a chance of just reaching that "elite" level in the 90's overall range).

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                  • damien6663
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 362

                    #10
                    Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

                    Originally posted by brettmickey
                    I'll just stick with Marcell Dareus since I know him best. I say he should start with an 80 overall (Definately pro ready, one of the most pro ready players in the draft) and I'll put his potential at a 92 for now (I believe he has a chance of just reaching that "elite" level in the 90's overall range).

                    yeah i probably could have been more generous with the potential, definately a pro ready player.

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                    • brettmickey
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 319

                      #11
                      Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

                      Originally posted by damien6663
                      yeah i probably could have been more generous with the potential, definately a pro ready player.
                      Yeah it's all good though. When I try and come up with a potential I try to think about what a player could do with his talents in a best case scenario. So for now, in Buffalo, he is kind of in a tough situation considering we don't have a very talented team (although I'm hopeful for these next 2 seasons to see if we improve) but what keeps his potential just in that elite level is playing next to Kyle Williams. I won't go into detail but Kyle was one of the best DT's last season recording the most QB pressures of any DT (can't remember what stat website I found that but I'm not making it up haha) so he will demand attention. If not, then Marcell will and Kyle will perform again. But with teams more likely to double Kyle now that leaves more space for Marcell to do what he does best, "F" up the offense's day.

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                      • Signaltheescape
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 99

                        #12
                        Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

                        Alot of Ifs but to go along with your idea. I am going to compare the skills sets of the Rookies to past NFL players. Lets begin.

                        1- Cam Newton= Donovan McNabb

                        Similar size. Mcnabb was a runner early. it is what will keep Cam Alive.

                        2- Von Miller= Demarcus Ware

                        Hybrid player just like Ware.

                        3- Marcell Dareus= Jon Randall

                        Destined for great run blocking success. Good player

                        4-Aj Green= Randy Moss

                        Very similar on paper and skill set. has that potential

                        5- Patrick Peterson= Nnamdi Asomoaugh (sp?)

                        Great in man to man coverage. will take 4-5 years to be on elite level. he really struggles in zone coverage.

                        6- Julio Jones = Terrell Owens

                        will struggle with drops. Not the diva Owens is but as far as skills, very similar.

                        7- Aldon Smith= Marcus Spears

                        i just dont see him as a premier player or even an everydown. Struggles with injuries and alot more.

                        8- Jake Locker= Tony Romo

                        Alot faster than Romo but passing level and mistake risk is similar. I like Locker as a better Romo. Cant throw brett farve out there yet. kid has a while to go.

                        9- Tyron Smith= Levi Brown

                        more athletic but just as much risk. He is not the solution LT ppl say. There is a reason he played RT at USC. Matt Kahlil is alot better.

                        10- Blaine Gabbert= Chad Henne

                        This pains me cause i want to like Gabbert but he has proved nothing. He has never been dominate beyond belief in HS or College. He never touched Chase Daniel production and Chase is a back up in NO

                        11- jj Watt = Igor Ohofensky (sp)

                        he is a an average DE in the NFL. Enough to fill in for a season or two but if a more athletic guy comes along he will be replaced.

                        12- Christian Ponder= Jordan Palmer

                        He could never stay healthy at FSU. He struggled with acc, pressure and decisions. He was not even the best QB at FSU. Manuel is better. He is nothing more than a career 3rd stringer. This left my breathless and is the reason the Vikings will be the doormat of the NFC North the next 4 years.

                        13- Nick Fairley= Warren Sapp

                        Yes he is that good. Not a run stopper but neither was Sapp. He will sacrifice to get sacks and yes that could hurt them but he will get alot of mismatches because id rather stop Suh than Fairley.


                        14- Robert Quinn= Kentwan Balmer

                        Average NFL Stater enough said.

                        15- Mike Pouncey= Tyson Clabo.

                        Decent Guard who can play 10 years. If he is put at center. he is the equivilent to the bench. because that is where he will stay. Look at the USF game to see his bad snapping.

                        16- Ryan Kerrgian= Jared Allen

                        Hard worker, good motor, sound familar? that is his potential. He can reach that with good coaching. Underrated because he was at Purdue. Double teamed alot.

                        17- Nate Solder= Marc Columbo

                        Too Raw, no colorado stud. Has the frame but not the skill set. Could be great but for now. Average.

                        18- Corey Liuget= Vaughn Martin

                        This has bust all over it. I never liked this pick or Liuget as an NFL player. I root for players like this to prove me wrong but they dont 99% of the time.

                        19-Prince amukamara= Johnathon Joseph

                        Has the cover skills but in run stopping or making the TD tackle, he wont make it. In a zone heavy scheme could do very well.

                        20- Adrian Clayborn= Ray Edwards

                        Love this pick. Clayborn would of been a top 10 pick last year and has alot to prove plus teams have to put their RT on him. Could be a risky move. Also good in the run game.

                        21- Phil Taylor= Albert Hansworth (Now)

                        Dumb pick. No stats. No production. Just a fat man. will not produce. is as worthful as Hansworth in the offseason. Maybe he should slap a waitress's *** so we know who he is.

                        22- Anthony Castonzo= David Stewart

                        Solid player, nothing over the top.

                        23- Danny Watkins =Andre Smith (skills) not belly fat.

                        I could rip but he is a war vet so god bless. His nfl career is 9 years max and he has alot to learn. could crack a starting line up but iffy

                        24- Cameron Jordan= Terell Suggs.

                        Call me crazy but he could be the biggest surprise. athletic freak who was injured in college. Great player potential

                        25- Jamer Carpented= J'marcus Webb
                        Do not hate this pick. He can be really solid.

                        26- Jonathan Baldwin= Calvin Johnson

                        Very similar. had 3 different QBs. showed off great hands. not as fast as megatron but will get alot of throws aside from Bowe. Could be the biggest steal.

                        27- Jimmy Smith= Antonio Cromartie

                        Great cover skills. Gonna have diva moments but ray lewis will slap him around a little bit and he will be all good. Great player. (i hate the ravens btw)

                        28- Mark Ingram= Marshawn Lynch

                        No gamebreaker in speed but runs hard. He is everything Lynch should be. runs inside of tackles and is a career 4.0 ypc guy

                        29- Gabe Carimi= Average Guard.

                        Do not feel like looking someone up. Good not great.

                        30- muhammed wilkerson= Haloti Ngata

                        single handedly kept his teams in games against stronger teams. in a jets defense that he pretty much knows already is scary.

                        31- Cam Heyward= Calvin Pace

                        Takes plays off but when he is on. he is great.

                        32- Derrek Sherod= Zane Beadles

                        Who? just your typical 14 game lineman no one knows. That is Sherods career. if we hear of him it is cause he is doing something wrong.

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                        • brettmickey
                          Rookie
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 319

                          #13
                          Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

                          Originally posted by Signaltheescape
                          Alot of Ifs but to go along with your idea. I am going to compare the skills sets of the Rookies to past NFL players. Lets begin.

                          1- Cam Newton= Donovan McNabb

                          Similar size. Mcnabb was a runner early. it is what will keep Cam Alive.

                          2- Von Miller= Demarcus Ware

                          Hybrid player just like Ware.

                          3- Marcell Dareus= Jon Randall

                          Destined for great run blocking success. Good player

                          4-Aj Green= Randy Moss

                          Very similar on paper and skill set. has that potential

                          5- Patrick Peterson= Nnamdi Asomoaugh (sp?)

                          Great in man to man coverage. will take 4-5 years to be on elite level. he really struggles in zone coverage.

                          6- Julio Jones = Terrell Owens

                          will struggle with drops. Not the diva Owens is but as far as skills, very similar.

                          7- Aldon Smith= Marcus Spears

                          i just dont see him as a premier player or even an everydown. Struggles with injuries and alot more.

                          8- Jake Locker= Tony Romo

                          Alot faster than Romo but passing level and mistake risk is similar. I like Locker as a better Romo. Cant throw brett farve out there yet. kid has a while to go.

                          9- Tyron Smith= Levi Brown

                          more athletic but just as much risk. He is not the solution LT ppl say. There is a reason he played RT at USC. Matt Kahlil is alot better.

                          10- Blaine Gabbert= Chad Henne

                          This pains me cause i want to like Gabbert but he has proved nothing. He has never been dominate beyond belief in HS or College. He never touched Chase Daniel production and Chase is a back up in NO

                          11- jj Watt = Igor Ohofensky (sp)

                          he is a an average DE in the NFL. Enough to fill in for a season or two but if a more athletic guy comes along he will be replaced.

                          12- Christian Ponder= Jordan Palmer

                          He could never stay healthy at FSU. He struggled with acc, pressure and decisions. He was not even the best QB at FSU. Manuel is better. He is nothing more than a career 3rd stringer. This left my breathless and is the reason the Vikings will be the doormat of the NFC North the next 4 years.

                          13- Nick Fairley= Warren Sapp

                          Yes he is that good. Not a run stopper but neither was Sapp. He will sacrifice to get sacks and yes that could hurt them but he will get alot of mismatches because id rather stop Suh than Fairley.


                          14- Robert Quinn= Kentwan Balmer

                          Average NFL Stater enough said.

                          15- Mike Pouncey= Tyson Clabo.

                          Decent Guard who can play 10 years. If he is put at center. he is the equivilent to the bench. because that is where he will stay. Look at the USF game to see his bad snapping.

                          16- Ryan Kerrgian= Jared Allen

                          Hard worker, good motor, sound familar? that is his potential. He can reach that with good coaching. Underrated because he was at Purdue. Double teamed alot.

                          17- Nate Solder= Marc Columbo

                          Too Raw, no colorado stud. Has the frame but not the skill set. Could be great but for now. Average.

                          18- Corey Liuget= Vaughn Martin

                          This has bust all over it. I never liked this pick or Liuget as an NFL player. I root for players like this to prove me wrong but they dont 99% of the time.

                          19-Prince amukamara= Johnathon Joseph

                          Has the cover skills but in run stopping or making the TD tackle, he wont make it. In a zone heavy scheme could do very well.

                          20- Adrian Clayborn= Ray Edwards

                          Love this pick. Clayborn would of been a top 10 pick last year and has alot to prove plus teams have to put their RT on him. Could be a risky move. Also good in the run game.

                          21- Phil Taylor= Albert Hansworth (Now)

                          Dumb pick. No stats. No production. Just a fat man. will not produce. is as worthful as Hansworth in the offseason. Maybe he should slap a waitress's *** so we know who he is.

                          22- Anthony Castonzo= David Stewart

                          Solid player, nothing over the top.

                          23- Danny Watkins =Andre Smith (skills) not belly fat.

                          I could rip but he is a war vet so god bless. His nfl career is 9 years max and he has alot to learn. could crack a starting line up but iffy

                          24- Cameron Jordan= Terell Suggs.

                          Call me crazy but he could be the biggest surprise. athletic freak who was injured in college. Great player potential

                          25- Jamer Carpented= J'marcus Webb
                          Do not hate this pick. He can be really solid.

                          26- Jonathan Baldwin= Calvin Johnson

                          Very similar. had 3 different QBs. showed off great hands. not as fast as megatron but will get alot of throws aside from Bowe. Could be the biggest steal.

                          27- Jimmy Smith= Antonio Cromartie

                          Great cover skills. Gonna have diva moments but ray lewis will slap him around a little bit and he will be all good. Great player. (i hate the ravens btw)

                          28- Mark Ingram= Marshawn Lynch

                          No gamebreaker in speed but runs hard. He is everything Lynch should be. runs inside of tackles and is a career 4.0 ypc guy

                          29- Gabe Carimi= Average Guard.

                          Do not feel like looking someone up. Good not great.

                          30- muhammed wilkerson= Haloti Ngata

                          single handedly kept his teams in games against stronger teams. in a jets defense that he pretty much knows already is scary.

                          31- Cam Heyward= Calvin Pace

                          Takes plays off but when he is on. he is great.

                          32- Derrek Sherod= Zane Beadles

                          Who? just your typical 14 game lineman no one knows. That is Sherods career. if we hear of him it is cause he is doing something wrong.

                          Feel free to comment
                          It seems like there are a lot of guys you don't like. What are some players you like that weren't drafted in the first round? haha although there is a lot of tough criticism I commend you for sticking by your guns

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                          • Signaltheescape
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 99

                            #14
                            Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

                            honestly this was a very weak draft compared to past years. there were only about 10-15 players worthy of a 1st round pick. next year will be back to the norm but this year had alot of question marks. 2011 will not be looked on as a great draft class.
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                            • brettmickey
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 319

                              #15
                              Re: Rate the 2011 Rookies (2011 and potential)

                              Originally posted by Signaltheescape
                              honestly this was a very weak draft compared to past years. there were only about 10-15 players worthy of a 1st round pick. next year will be back to the norm but this year had alot of question marks. 2011 will not be looked on as a great draft class.
                              I can agree it was a weak class overall. I'm glad my team had a high enough pick to garner 1st round talent with their 1st round pick.

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