Hardest team to rebuild?

[alifeincomplete]

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I wonder what the excuses the Cam Newton apologists will have in four years when he's failed to amount to anything...

Hardest team to rebuild in Madden? I'm torn between Buffalo (weep) or Oakland. I was doing a rebuilding project with the Cardinals in '11, but they're not far from success. Bring in a 85+ rated QB and shore up the defense. With the addition of Ryan Williams at halfback, the offense is alive again.

[TheDelta]

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Hardest team to rebuild in Madden? I'm torn between Buffalo (weep) or Oakland. I was doing a rebuilding project with the Cardinals in '11, but they're not far from success. Bring in a 85+ rated QB and shore up the defense. With the addition of Ryan Williams at halfback, the offense is alive again.

Bills are gonna be tough, but the Cards were among the toughest teams in 11 IMO. Nothing at QB, nothing at Oline, not much at LB (save for Washinton who develops into a decent ILB within a couple year) and nothing at CB save for DRC. Oh and nothing at TE either.

That said, with the draft being sooooo easy in 11, there simply wasn't a team that was really hard to rebuild. If I can easily draft 9-10 A potential rookies a year, there is no team in the NFL more than 2 years away from being a contender.

[Madwolf]

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Here's my problem with the Cam Newton is likely a bust thing. Every excuse for him being a bust from the detractors has been addresses or proven false.

Here's another subject to ponder. Since 2000, Carolina has never selected a 1st round draft bust.

[canes21]

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Here's my problem with the Cam Newton is likely a bust thing. Every excuse for him being a bust from the detractors has been addresses or proven false.

Here's another subject to ponder. Since 2000, Carolina has never selected a 1st round draft bust.

Who cares about past picks? That doesn't mean anything about Cam's success. Sure, Carolina has done a good job picking players in the 1st round, but that could turn around very easily.

Cam, to me, just hasn't shown the skills to be an NFL QB. Watching him play in college, I was more impressed with his running skills than his passing skills. The only QB in the NFL you can compare Cam to is Mike Vick and Cam isn't near as big a threat IMO.

I think most of Cam's success in college was because of the system he was in and the competition faced. Going into the NFL everything will be more complicated for him and he won't be in an offense like at Auburn, it just wouldn't work in the NFL.

He may very well be a great QB and have a great career, but I just don't see that happening. He was good in college, deserved all the money he was given performance wise , but the NFL is different and I don't see him doing much.

[Madwolf]

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I take exception for sure with your level of competition statement. The guy played in the SEC, which is the closest competition to the NFL you can possibly get based on the NFL talent they put into the league every year.

Is it the NFL? Certainly not, but it's the best practice he can get.

I still think he's throwing ability is under-rated. He is by no means perfect, but he isn't a bad passer either. The biggest problem with his game will be transitioning to working under center instead of out of the gun.

For the most part his mechanics are good, which is a big help. He does need to make some adjustments, which will help his accuracy on comeback routes, and such things.

I don't really see the validation in him not making the reads. I saw the 1 read and run thing go down a few times, but not nearly as prevelant as is being said.

You also have to consider what a read is for Newton. You can look at reads as reading a single defender or a portion of the field. Some QBs are only going to be able to read that one defender, while others are going to be read the whole field, like Peyton Manning. Yes there are reads on each defender, or groups of defenders in that zone the QB can see, but certain players are going to be able to piece all of that together, while others aren't. So we don't know for now what that is for Newton.

I honestly think Newton has all of it mentally. He's a leader, and he picks up on things very quickly, like our play book. So the question is going to be if he can makes the reads on game-day and then make those passes into tight windows.

[TheDelta]

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I take exception for sure with your level of competition statement. The guy played in the SEC, which is the closest competition to the NFL you can possibly get based on the NFL talent they put into the league every year.

Is it the NFL? Certainly not, but it's the best practice he can get.

So he's had one year of good practice. Pardon me if I'm not overwhelmed by that.

I still think he's throwing ability is under-rated. He is by no means perfect, but he isn't a bad passer either. The biggest problem with his game will be transitioning to working under center instead of out of the gun.

Which is a huge transition not every spread QB is able to make.

At that, I've seen him play several times last season, and I don't think his passing is under-rated. He has a strong arm but most of the year, all he's had to do when throwing the ball is hitting wide open receivers. Again, not really overwhelming if you ask me. He hasn't proven even a single thing concerning his ability to be a passer in the NFL, as simple as that.

I don't really see the validation in him not making the reads. I saw the 1 read and run thing go down a few times, but not nearly as prevelant as is being said.

A few times? That's all his offense was build around, that's the key of the Spread Option. Quick decisions based on key reads and counting on the opposition to make mistakes, which even the best college teams do a dozen times more often than the worst NFL team.

You also have to consider what a read is for Newton.

A read for Newton is reading a key and then acting accordingly, because that's what his offense in Auburn was build around. You can't run that kind of offense in the NFL, so he will be faced with a completely new kind of offense with close to no offseason to get him accustomed to it. Not the best setup, in my opinion.

I honestly think Newton has all of it mentally. He's a leader, and he picks up on things very quickly, like our play book.

So you already know that he's picked up your play book quickly? Good to know...

Just get of the hype train please, will ya? I don't say it's impossible for Newton to succeed, I personally think it's unlikely but the fact remains that he hasn't shown ANYTHING so far that would be an indication he'll make it in the NFL.

[Alter Eg0]

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The REDSKINS:

No QB - Need I say more
No Oline - LT is the only player we have
No Dline - Fat Al is gone, everyone else should be on the bench.
WRs are young & unproven
Need depth at CB
RBs are young & unproven
Our best MLB will retire in one year.

But I love building up my squad!

[Madwolf]

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So he's had one year of good practice. Pardon me if I'm not overwhelmed by that.



Which is a huge transition not every spread QB is able to make.

At that, I've seen him play several times last season, and I don't think his passing is under-rated. He has a strong arm but most of the year, all he's had to do when throwing the ball is hitting wide open receivers. Again, not really overwhelming if you ask me. He hasn't proven even a single thing concerning his ability to be a passer in the NFL, as simple as that.



A few times? That's all his offense was build around, that's the key of the Spread Option. Quick decisions based on key reads and counting on the opposition to make mistakes, which even the best college teams do a dozen times more often than the worst NFL team.



A read for Newton is reading a key and then acting accordingly, because that's what his offense in Auburn was build around. You can't run that kind of offense in the NFL, so he will be faced with a completely new kind of offense with close to no offseason to get him accustomed to it. Not the best setup, in my opinion.



So you already know that he's picked up your play book quickly? Good to know...

Just get of the hype train please, will ya? I don't say it's impossible for Newton to succeed, I personally think it's unlikely but the fact remains that he hasn't shown ANYTHING so far that would be an indication he'll make it in the NFL.

It's not a hype train if you do a little research.

In Carolina's pre-draft interviews they test his ability to learn the playbook over the course of a week and 2 interviews and he performed exceptionally.

Since being drafted he's worked out every single day for 12 hours at the IMG Center in Florida with 3 former NFL QBs.

He participated in the teams voluntary work outs and is working with Steve Smith this weekend at a camp for kids.

Is the picture as rosy as I paint it? Certainly not. However, it's certainly not as bleak as you paint it either. Newton has shown exceptional work ethic thus far, and has been praised by his fellow Panthers for doing as much and for how quickly he has absorbed the new playbook.

I'll admit he has some issues if the haters are willing to admit he has answered some of the pressing questions.

[TheDelta]

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It's not a hype train if you do a little research.

Late last year, he was a late 1st round prospect at best. I do remember when the first mocks had him as high as the Bills and those guys were declared crazy.

Since that time, he showed absolutely NOTHING concerning his abilities, he had a very mediocre championship game that did nothing to cement his status, he had an abysmal combine and a pro day that was nothing special (yet still a vast improvement over his combine performance) yet in the same time, he went up and up to finally be the consensus #1 pick.

If that isn't hype then I don't know what is...

I just don't think there's a lot of positives about his current situation. He's in a team that needs him to step up and perform right away, which is an awful situation for every rookie, even more so without an offseason, and even more more so for a QB that's not even remotely close to pro-ready.

He's a QB whose success is based on his athleticism and running ability. Ton of succesful QBs in the NFL based on that, right? And sorry, he's not Michael Vick, he's not even close.

Is it possible for him to succeed? Definitely, the draft is a crapshoot and you never know what happens. But is it likely? I don't see much pro, and a lot of con...

[Checmate101]

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The REDSKINS:

No QB - Need I say more
No Oline - LT is the only player we have
No Dline - Fat Al is gone, everyone else should be on the bench.
WRs are young & unproven
Need depth at CB
RBs are young & unproven
Our best MLB will retire in one year.

But I love building up my squad!

Also to add, inaccurate kicker and Punter we all messed up.

[Madwolf]

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Late last year, he was a late 1st round prospect at best. I do remember when the first mocks had him as high as the Bills and those guys were declared crazy.

Since that time, he showed absolutely NOTHING concerning his abilities, he had a very mediocre championship game that did nothing to cement his status, he had an abysmal combine and a pro day that was nothing special (yet still a vast improvement over his combine performance) yet in the same time, he went up and up to finally be the consensus #1 pick.

If that isn't hype then I don't know what is...

I just don't think there's a lot of positives about his current situation. He's in a team that needs him to step up and perform right away, which is an awful situation for every rookie, even more so without an offseason, and even more more so for a QB that's not even remotely close to pro-ready.

He's a QB whose success is based on his athleticism and running ability. Ton of succesful QBs in the NFL based on that, right? And sorry, he's not Michael Vick, he's not even close.

Is it possible for him to succeed? Definitely, the draft is a crapshoot and you never know what happens. But is it likely? I don't see much pro, and a lot of con...

Newton had far from a mediocre Championship game. He threw for 260 something yards, had a 60% completion ratio and threw for 2 TDs and an INT. Certainly wasn't amazing, but was far from awful. He did what he had to do to get his team to win. He ran for 64 yards, which wasn't spectacular either, considering he ran like 2 dozen times, but he did what he had to do to keep Auburn moving the chains.

How about his performance against Alabama? That was simply stunning.

And what about his Pro Day and combine? Athletically he very much proved his part at the combine. He wasn't as impressive throwing, but he cetainly wasn't bad. That's pretty revisionist of you. Pro day is the same way. He threw the ball well, but wasn't stunning. His WRs also dropped a ball or two.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you he disproved all his doubters on Pro Day and the Combine, but to sit here and say that either of them were walking disasters is being very lose with the truth.

[LiquorLogic]

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Bills, Cardinals Bengals (if you don't use Palmer) and Dolphins....

I don't know, the Cardinals just need a QB. They're in the NFC West, so if they get a QB, they're an instant contender in that division. Hell, they're a contender right now without a QB. Teams like the Bills, Browns, and Bengals all play in much tougher divisions.

I think the Panthers are the toughest to rebuild. They've got the tools for a good running game, but with a Rookie QB, and no other weapons on offense, few on defense,and the fact that they play in the best division in football, they've got the longest way to go.

[spyder_DG]

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I still don't get why people don't think Steve Smith, David Gettis, Shockey and Rosario/Barnidge aren't weapons (maybe in real life but in Madden....come on...). Also, anyone who says they don't have many weapons on defense is just being a ***** or isn't very bright....

Beason
Davis
Anderson
Charles Johnson
Gamble

Specifically speaking about Madden Everette Brown, Dan Connor, Captain Munnerlyn and Greg Hardy are also beasts....

[Madwolf]

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ESPN told everyone we were bad in their 15 sec segment on the Panthers for the year.

[kingkilla56]

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ESPN told everyone we were bad in their 15 sec segment on the Panthers for the year.

Good post!

And WTFitsdavey are you crazy? The Eagles are the furthest thing from the build up team. The oldest guy on that team is a 30 year old Mike Vick it seems.