Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

[T5063]

I've played a few a few games with the Texans (with gameflow) and I've noticed something strange in their defence.

When they line up with four players on the line, instead of lining up the usual RE, DT, DT, LE they line up OLB,RE,LE,OLB. I checked the depth chart and everything is normal with DTs at the DT spots but I'm still getting the above mentioned formation.

When there is three players on the line I get the expected RE, DT, LE formation.

I'm guessing this is a defensive scheme thats set up for the Kubiak playbook and not a glitch. Can anyone with more football knowledge confirm this?

[Roncatto]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

Whats more likley due to rapid defensive fatigue in this game, is that when you do play that formation, your DT's may be resting and as most 3-4 teams only have 2 NT's on depth chart your DE's will play the middle.

Just a thought

[Richieh]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

It's the correct line-up. You're in a 2-4 Nickle. It's a pass defense formation, so puts your pass rushers up front and takes out your slower nose tackle.

[T5063]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

Whats more likley due to rapid defensive fatigue in this game, is that when you do play that formation, your DT's may be resting and as most 3-4 teams only have 2 NT's on depth chart your DE's will play the middle.

Just a thought

I don't think its fatigue because this happens from the very first defensive play when everyone is at 100% stamina. I also have 4 DTs on my depth chart.

It's the correct line-up. You're in a 2-4 Nickle. It's a pass defense formation, so puts your pass rushers up front and takes out your slower nose tackle.

Thanks. I'm gonna look up the 2-4 Nickle. I've played multiple games with other teams (Vikings, Jaguars and Bengals) and apparently they all run a 4-3 defence. The Texans run 3-4 so thats why it feels/looks different for me.

[llcmac]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

I also noticed this playing in practice (which doesn't have fatigue). I was surprised but just figured it was their defensive scheme, since it put their best players on the field.

[XI CMURDER IX]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

It is the 2-4-5 defense under nickel formation. It pushes J.J. Watt and Antonio Smith inside, those are the normal DEs in the 3-4. Then puts Barwin/Reed and Super Mario down on the outside.


This also could be the deadliest combo on defensive line after this next update, just throwing that out there.

[utbdiddy]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

The Texans are actually using this formation in passing situations, so Madden got this one right.

They spin Watt and Antonio to DT and Mario and Barwin to DE and it is actually pretty nasty.

[s38s38s]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

I also noticed this playing in practice (which doesn't have fatigue). I was surprised but just figured it was their defensive scheme, since it put their best players on the field.

Roll with this, as mentioned above, you're in a 2-4-5 (2 DL, 4 LB's, and 5 DB's). Since 3-4 teams don't have traditional 4-3 DE pass rushers, their OLB's rotae down to DE, and since 3-4 DE's are usally 4-3 DT's they rotate inside to create the 3-4 base version of the 4-3 Nickel defense.

Madden included a lot of "pre-sub" packages, basically we used to have to do a formation sub to create formations like this (LB Pass Rush)
, now many of the teams have the sub packages as base formations.

[T5063]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

Ok, I researchd the 2-4-5 nickel formation and it all makes sense now. I read that this formation is good to use if you have good depth at LB (which Texans do with Williams and Cushing both over 85-ovr IIRC and a few other decent LBs).

This got me thinking. If, lets say, Williams and Cushing both went down with injuries would the CPU automaticaly start running a different defence for me on gameflow since I'd be thin at LB now.

[s38s38s]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

Ok, I researchd the 2-4-5 nickel formation and it all makes sense now. I read that this formation is good to use if you have good depth at LB (which Texans do with Williams and Cushing both over 85-ovr IIRC and a few other decent LBs).

This got me thinking. If, lets say, Williams and Cushing both went down with injuries would the CPU automaticaly start running a different defence for me on gameflow since I'd be thin at LB now.

No, you'd have to sub in your most compatible players to fill the role, so be sure to sign/draft depth. Or you may be able to do a formation sub to actually put DE's at pass rush, if you have DE's that have a pass rush skill set.

[andyacecandy]

Re: Can someone explain this to me - Texans Defence

Another thing I noticed is if you move Mario Williams to LE, his overall is a 98... yet at ROLB (which I think he's at now) he's much lower than that...

I'm sure this is how it is with many other players on different teams, but I'm wondering if it's worth it to put all players at whatever position they rate the highest in?