Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

[GameTape]

This has to be my biggest complaint with the game.

No matter how we set the sliders, its impossible to see a realistic pass rush.

Its either watch the DE's get manhandled continously, or watch the DT's bust through the line continously...no happy middle ground.

I made a thread about this in the NCAA 12 forum as well...because both games have the exact same flaw:

Pass rush dynamics have improved somewhat over the years, but they are still fundamentally very flawed. In order to have realistic pass rushing, defenders need to be able to push the O-Linemen backwards. Right now defenders get zero push whatsoever, and get stuck on OL who warp themself into position in front of them. Defenders never squeeze the pocket & reach the QB in a realistic way, the only way defenders can get past the OL is to completely disengage with a swim or spin move, which leads to DT's getting more sacks & pressure than they should, and DE's less than they should.

Its time we see a realistic pass rush where DE's get the majority of the pressure and sacks. Please improve this EA.

EDIT: Video evidence of the issue:
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That was a total of 17 dropbacks...
Amount of times DT reached QB alone: 8
Amount of times DE reached QB in combination with DT: 9
Amount of times DE reached QB alone: 0..........thats right 0!!!!!!!!

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Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

This has to be my biggest complaint with the game.

No matter how we set the sliders, its impossible to see a realistic pass rush.

Its either watch the DE's get manhandled continously, or watch the DT's bust through the line continously...no happy middle ground.

I made a thread about this in the NCAA 12 forum as well...because both games have the exact same flaw:




Its time we see a realistic pass rush where DE's get the majority of the pressure and sacks. Please improve this EA.

online or offline?

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

online or offline?

Either way man, this is an issue no matter what.

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Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

well i dont know about online but offline you can change coaching schemes... it makes a big difference

[LaW97]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

something I would suggest is putting your best pass rusher on the left side.

RE's and ROLB's dont get the pass rush they should in madden but the LE's and LOLB's do

so on the depth chart I switch them up for played games and leave them in position for simmed games

honestly,
this is very disappointing because the LE dominance has been a problem in madden for as long as I can remember.

[dfos81]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

something I would suggest is putting your best pass rusher on the left side.

RE's and ROLB's dont get the pass rush they should in madden but the LE's and LOLB's do

so on the depth chart I switch them up for played games and leave them in position for simmed games

honestly,
this is very disappointing because the LE dominance has been a problem in madden for as long as I can remember.

It's like a right handed development lol.

Anyway I've put the Coaching Schemes thru a lot of testing and if you lower the priority of Dts and make the style run stopping and then make DEs in 4-3 schemes style Pass Rusher, in 3-4 schemes OLBs should be set to pass rushing too.

In 3-4 schemes I like to lower the priority on DEs too. Basically make sure the Centers and guards have a higher importance than the DTs and DEs in 3-4.
If I lower the priority on OTs it helps to get better pass rushing from the edges.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

I tried the coaching schemes, and it doesnt help. DTs bust through the line and get more pressure & sacks than DEs.

This is a fundamental flaw with the game engine that cant be fixed through sliders, because the only way defenders can get pressure is by completely disengaging from the OL, and DTs are closer to the QB than DEs are.

[dfos81]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Coaching Schemes has worked for me.

Hmm bc when I put the Dts priority to 0 and run stopping they just take up space and bounce from lineman to to lineman.
Sorry to hear coaching schemes didn't work for you.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

Coaching Schemes has worked for me.

Hmm bc when I put the Dts priority to 0 and run stopping they just take up space and bounce from lineman to to lineman.
Sorry to hear coaching schemes didn't work for you.

When you do that, do the DE get any pressure? Because i could edit the sliders to lower pass rush, but then no one would get pressure. Its impossible to isolate the pass rush for only the DEs.

[dfos81]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

When you do that, do the DE get any pressure? Because i could edit the sliders to lower pass rush, but then no one would get pressure. Its impossible to isolate the pass rush for only the DEs.

To help the DEs and OLBs(3-4) to get edge pressure put the Offensive Tackle to 0 priority, and from there just raise the Pass rush slider until you see the edge guys getting more pressure.

[GameTape]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

To help the DEs and OLBs(3-4) to get edge pressure put the Offensive Tackle to 0 priority, and from there just raise the Pass rush slider until you see the edge guys getting more pressure.

I tried that, i find that it might help a little bit, but its far from a solution, its more like a small bandaid at best.

I encourage you to look closely at where the pressure is coming from (even if the play doesnt result in sack), you will find that DT get through too often and DE/OLB not enough.

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

This has been discussed ad-nauseum on this site and around all other communities. It's a major flaw that's been in Madden for a long time. It's what prevents people from stepping up in the pocket and instead they drop back 25 yards. The pressure ALWAYS comes from up the middle. The only way to free your elite DEs is to blitz and set it up so that it frees up one of your ends. The one thing I am confident of is that this issue will NEVER be fixed, like the 100 other problems with the game that have existed for the last 10 years that get ignored. So instead, we get to look at that same silly shrug off animation constantly happen when the defensive tackle shakes the center and crushes the QB right when he's about to unload the ball.

[dfos81]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

I've noticed usually the D-lineman that do the most damage are higher in strength and blk shed than the Guard or Center they are facing. So it could also be fixed by adjusting ratings. That's a lot of work though.

I find it to work well with this setup for

priority/style

Offense

Tackle: 0/1
Guard: 100/0
Center: 100/0

Defense

DE: 100(50 for 3-4 teams)/2
Dts: 0/0(I think that's runstopping)
OLBs: 100/1(set to pass rusher 2, for 3-4)
Mlb: 100/1

[BlackJackRabbit]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

something I would suggest is putting your best pass rusher on the left side.

RE's and ROLB's dont get the pass rush they should in madden but the LE's and LOLB's do

so on the depth chart I switch them up for played games and leave them in position for simmed games

honestly,
this is very disappointing because the LE dominance has been a problem in madden for as long as I can remember.

Yep, it's been that way since at least Madden 10.

[PantherBeast_OS]

Re: Not enough pressure from DE's, too much pressure from DT's

This has been a problem for some years now with Madden. I really think it is a matter of issues here. This where ratings once again needs to come into play here. You might have some DEs out there that can't get to the QB as other DEs can. I've seen where one DE can do every different move in the book and never get close to the QB because he might not be quick enough or fast enough. While another DE can get to the QB with no problem. Should be according to how good the player and his size and speed aswell. All this should factor into who can get to the QB. There are just different factors in all this. This should appy to DT and LBers and CBs aswell. But this mainly about front 4 more then anything. But it should depend on the players ratings along with speed and weight and so.