Dime Defense question

[Cavicchi]

I'm playing as the Packers and when I choose a Dime defense, there are not 4 but 3 CBs. Shouldn't there be 4 CBs in a Dime defense? Instead of a CB the formation shows a Safety making 3 Safeties.

[Obnoxious]

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I didn't know 3-4 playbooks have a Dime formation?

[blocknose]

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the 3-4 defense usually has strange dime packages with only one or 2 D-lineman so it could be something to do with that

[Cavicchi]

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the 3-4 defense usually has strange dime packages with only one or 2 D-lineman so it could be something to do with that

There are two dime defenses to choose from. One is without the DT and one has him. As far as DBs go, I think there are 6 DBs either way, 3 CBs and 3 Safeties.

[Obnoxious]

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Then just use formation subs and change one of the Safeties to CB?

[Cavicchi]

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Then just use formation subs and change one of the Safeties to CB?

I did that, just wondering if what Madden does is correct.

[TNT713]

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Typically, Dime formations use 4 CB and 2 Safeties. But dime defenses mean 6 defensive backs. Doesn't matter if they are Safeties or Cornerbacks.

Also, there are SUB formations that change the personnel. I don't use these formations so I can't tell you HOW man change personnel, but there is one that looks exactly like the "Dollar" formation only with different players on the field.

I'm wondering if you're calling one of the SUB formations.

Later

[Big FN Deal]

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I did that, just wondering if what Madden does is correct.

I personally don't believe the specific personnel are correct, even though the terminology is for number of DB's, not CBs. I use a 4-3 defense and in the Quarters package, no matter by CB depth chart order, my backup Safety is always in the 5th DB spot in that formation. I think the Quarters with the 5thDB in some man coverage where you would most likely want a 5th CB and the 3 Deep Quarters? where having a 3rd Safety in the middle deep Cover 3 is better, use the same 3 safety personnel in Madden.

Like others have stated, you can just formation sub the 5th CB in so whether it's correct or not is not the main issue, User control is, imo. I understand people don't want to waste time worrying and complaining about stuff the can be easily adjusted and I agree with that premise. However, aside from the lack of attention to detail being a repeated theme in next gen Madden which makes me question how Madden handles formation personnel, it's another case of limited User control and removing something that was once in the game.

If there was an option to formation and playbook sub personnel, pregame, as well as the return of mass substitutions (1st/2nd/3rd string), there would be one less potential issue for me to be reminded of every online game I play.

[baller7345]

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For Green Bay there are two "dime" defenses. There is the 2-3-6 and 2-3-6 Odd. Having 3 Safeties is indeed the correct play (at least in my mind) on these formations and it is easiest seen from looking at the base 2-3-6. That defense is essentially 2-4-5 but with a DB in place of the LILB. If this was a CB you'd be at a pretty large disadvantage (even more so than with the safety). The 2-3-6 Odd is still a 2-3-6 formation so it keeps the same personnel but it shifts over the LB's and safety to form a dollar look with 2 down lineman and 3 LB's (1 of the LB's is standing where the 3rd lineman should be).

There are packages that give you an extra CB if you want but most of the time you'll have the safety on a TE especially out of the 2-3-6. I'm not sure how they do the personnel out of the other dime and quarter formations but even if it is wrong it makes a lot of sense based on the placement of that 6th DB.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Dime Defense question

For Green Bay there are two "dime" defenses. There is the 2-3-6 and 2-3-6 Odd. Having 3 Safeties is indeed the correct play (at least in my mind) on these formations and it is easiest seen from looking at the base 2-3-6. That defense is essentially 2-4-5 but with a DB in place of the LILB. If this was a CB you'd be at a pretty large disadvantage (even more so than with the safety). The 2-3-6 Odd is still a 2-3-6 formation so it keeps the same personnel but it shifts over the LB's and safety to form a dollar look with 2 down lineman and 3 LB's (1 of the LB's is standing where the 3rd lineman should be).

There are packages that give you an extra CB if you want but most of the time you'll have the safety on a TE especially out of the 2-3-6. I'm not sure how they do the personnel out of the other dime and quarter formations but even if it is wrong it makes a lot of sense based on the placement of that 6th DB.

Thanks for the explanation.

What I find odd is normal Nickel, not Psycho, and 2-3-6 have no DT. The Psycho and Dime Odd have a DT.