Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

[wankman69]

I consider myself to be an above average Madden player (I'm 16-4 this year). In the past I've played man 99% of the time while ball hawking the field with my safety. This issues isn't allowing me to do that this year (or anything for that matter).

What I've ran into the past 2 game is my opponent moving his top 2 WRs into the slot and having each run an out route. As soon as the WR breaks toward the sideline, there is a 5 yard cushion between him and my DB. I can only take away 1 out these routes with my safety so 1 is always wide open.

I've tried man (worst defense for this), zone (he would just throw a comeback route to either outside guy which would be wide open), blitzing, etc. Nothing works.

The last kid was doing this no huddle after he fell behind 35-7 and I actually quit in the 3rd quarter. I couldn't take watching this happen for 45 minutes with there being nothing I can do to stop it.

Is there a defense that can stop this? I know that EA is trying to simplify Madden for the average person, but this is ridiculous.

[thebizarrojerry]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

Are you using press coverage with a good cb?

[baller7345]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

Press man coverage shaded outside (through the individual coverages options).

Cover 3 with curl to flat zones.

Cover 2 with the flat zones hot routed to curl to flat zones.

Regular Cover 2

Cover 4

Fire Zone Coverage (3 deep 3 short) can stop the 10 yard outs if he is throwing them right at the cut


You'll only run into any real trouble when they start turning those out routes into vertical stretch and flood concepts so that your underneath coverage has to make a decision on who to cover. They cover the out he throws to the flats they cover the flats he throws to the out.

[Smoke6]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

I consider myself to be an above average Madden player (I'm 16-4 this year). In the past I've played man 99% of the time while ball hawking the field with my safety. This issues isn't allowing me to do that this year (or anything for that matter).

What I've ran into the past 2 game is my opponent moving his top 2 WRs into the slot and having each run an out route. As soon as the WR breaks toward the sideline, there is a 5 yard cushion between him and my DB. I can only take away 1 out these routes with my safety so 1 is always wide open.

I've tried man (worst defense for this), zone (he would just throw a comeback route to either outside guy which would be wide open), blitzing, etc. Nothing works.

The last kid was doing this no huddle after he fell behind 35-7 and I actually quit in the 3rd quarter. I couldn't take watching this happen for 45 minutes with there being nothing I can do to stop it.

Is there a defense that can stop this? I know that EA is trying to simplify Madden for the average person, but this is ridiculous.

Dont mean to be rude, but this is exactly what you get!!!

Playing with your safety in madden is the cheapest way of playing IMO, they cover too much ground way too fast and too easily as if "foot Planting" were properly implemented this would not be the case and the risk you take "ballHawking" would be more devastation to you than the issue you are having now.

I would do the same thing for the simple fact of what I wrote above and you know it as well as 90% of the online community. I have seen it numerous times where people who play with their safeties do that run towards the LOS get caught and still make up the ground to get in position to make the play or you run plays where you leave your opponent no choice but to throw in the path of your user controlled safety for an easy INT.

Sorry bruh, maybe youtube could help you as I am tired of seeing that type of crappy arcade gameplay ruin my experience. He's doing what anyone else would have done but I guess you didnt gameplan for that!

[wankman69]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

Dont mean to be rude, but this is exactly what you get!!!

Playing with your safety in madden is the cheapest way of playing IMO, they cover too much ground way too fast and too easily as if "foot Planting" were properly implemented this would not be the case and the risk you take "ballHawking" would be more devastation to you than the issue you are having now.

I would do the same thing for the simple fact of what I wrote above and you know it as well as 90% of the online community. I have seen it numerous times where people who play with their safeties do that run towards the LOS get caught and still make up the ground to get in position to make the play or you run plays where you leave your opponent no choice but to throw in the path of your user controlled safety for an easy INT.

Sorry bruh, maybe youtube could help you as I am tired of seeing that type of crappy arcade gameplay ruin my experience. He's doing what anyone else would have done but I guess you didnt gameplan for that!

So reading routes and trying to take away open WRs is dirty, but running the same route over and over is legit?

Sounds like a typical Madden cheesier to me. The whole point of using a safety is to cover for busted coverage/take away cheese routes. It requires user skill rather than relying 100% on your computer.

thebizarrojerry - I was using the 49ers. He was using the Falcons and had White/Jones running the out routes. They don't have elite DBs but they shouldn't be getting smoked every play.

baller7345 - I tried running some zone but it is a guaranteed 10 yard completion to anyone running a curl route (which his 2 outside guys were doing).

[baller7345]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

baller7345 - I tried running some zone but it is a guaranteed 10 yard completion to anyone running a curl route (which his 2 outside guys were doing).

Is it a curl route or a 15 yard comeback? Cover 2 sink cover's curl routes really well as does any defense that throws both a curl to flat zone and a flat zone on one side of the field.

If its a comeback route that he is combining with the out route then is it a deep out or a shallow speed out? The speed out can be contained with flat defenders and if you know he is running deep comebacks using hook zones and playing off the WR is an easy way to get underneath them. If its deep outs then the spacing is going to be all wrong and it shouldn't be a problem as long as you have decent zone defenders because eventually one of those throws is going to be a little off.

2 Man Under shaded to the outside is still a perfectly good option but you have to really quick to shade all your CBs to outside. You could run 2 man under with both safeties in culr to flat zones though you won't have help over the top.

Finally pull out your favorite overload blitz concept and send some heat. Both the deep outs and the deep comebacks take time to develop and if its a shallow out and a deep comeback then plays like 3-4 Over Cover will shut that down all day. A Falcon Blitz concept may be the best way to do this (Dbl Safety Blitz from Nickel or Dime) since it seems he doesn't really attack the middle of the field much so losing safety help in the middle isn't going to kill you. Pres your slot defenders and shade outside (may have to reposition one of those slot defenders so that he is in front of his assignment) and let those safeties do their job.

[BlastX21]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

Since he's putting his best receivers in the slot, you should move your best corners to 3 and 4 on the depth chart, so they're matched up with receivers when you go Dime.

[jjoneshbk]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

All of these suggestions are nice and might actually work ONCE in a while but let's call this what it really is...

The truth Wankman69, is NO. There is no way to stop the bs offense that you described in the OP if you're going against anyone that knows exactly what they're doing and knows how to read D. I've played madden football for years on years, and played real-life ball even longer. In this years Madden, if you don't know how to sufficiently win in a shootout game against those type players, it's gameover. The ONLY true defense against that this year is finding a league that doesn't allow consistent abuse of the automatic routes you've described, which is actually ridiculous since no one should have to do it.

People say, " Well are you using a good DB?" It doesn't matter if you have Primetime Deion Sanders, these things still happen, and even if the prospect of getting pick scares them off their favorite target, any experienced person will adjust on the fly. And you can forget about it if they have any sort of multi-weaponed offensive attack ala NE,GB,NO,SF etc. As I covered in another thread, the good TE's are pretty much uncoverable this year period and with the new ball placement ability, LB's and SS's along with most 2nd, 3rd, 4th DB's are rendered useless.

LOL @ Most people talking about adjusting their ENTIRE defense just to have a CHANCE at stopping this madness. Until the true interaction between WR's and DB's is improved on and those "shading" techniques are correctly implemented, until the win/loss coin flip of press coverage is eliminated..this will be what we're left with.

Oh and to the guy who knocked the OP for using his safety, Madden's broken offenses of the last few years probably brought that on so I commend him for making the smart play. There was nothing the cpu would or could do about the SLANTS, Unders, Crosses or any of that BS properly the last few years. Yes you could do unbelieveable things with the safety but when compared to offensive exploits, you should be ashamed for even knocking his user choice...that is all.

[spyoutofthecold]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

Odds are your opponent is just waiting on those guys to break. So, you blitz the holy hell out of him.

[KCsFinest5]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

Dont mean to be rude, but this is exactly what you get!!!

Playing with your safety in madden is the cheapest way of playing IMO, they cover too much ground way too fast and too easily as if "foot Planting" were properly implemented this would not be the case and the risk you take "ballHawking" would be more devastation to you than the issue you are having now.

I would do the same thing for the simple fact of what I wrote above and you know it as well as 90% of the online community. I have seen it numerous times where people who play with their safeties do that run towards the LOS get caught and still make up the ground to get in position to make the play or you run plays where you leave your opponent no choice but to throw in the path of your user controlled safety for an easy INT.

Sorry bruh, maybe youtube could help you as I am tired of seeing that type of crappy arcade gameplay ruin my experience. He's doing what anyone else would have done but I guess you didnt gameplan for that!

Have you every tried playing as the safety every play? There are a lot of people that make it look easier than it really is. It also can be exploited, as the OP indicated.

[Smoke6]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

All of these suggestions are nice and might actually work ONCE in a while but let's call this what it really is...

The truth Wankman69, is NO. There is no way to stop the bs offense that you described in the OP if you're going against anyone that knows exactly what they're doing and knows how to read D. I've played madden football for years on years, and played real-life ball even longer. In this years Madden, if you don't know how to sufficiently win in a shootout game against those type players, it's gameover. The ONLY true defense against that this year is finding a league that doesn't allow consistent abuse of the automatic routes you've described, which is actually ridiculous since no one should have to do it.

People say, " Well are you using a good DB?" It doesn't matter if you have Primetime Deion Sanders, these things still happen, and even if the prospect of getting pick scares them off their favorite target, any experienced person will adjust on the fly. And you can forget about it if they have any sort of multi-weaponed offensive attack ala NE,GB,NO,SF etc. As I covered in another thread, the good TE's are pretty much uncoverable this year period and with the new ball placement ability, LB's and SS's along with most 2nd, 3rd, 4th DB's are rendered useless.

LOL @ Most people talking about adjusting their ENTIRE defense just to have a CHANCE at stopping this madness. Until the true interaction between WR's and DB's is improved on and those "shading" techniques are correctly implemented, until the win/loss coin flip of press coverage is eliminated..this will be what we're left with.

Oh and to the guy who knocked the OP for using his safety, Madden's broken offenses of the last few years probably brought that on so I commend him for making the smart play. There was nothing the cpu would or could do about the SLANTS, Unders, Crosses or any of that BS properly the last few years. Yes you could do unbelieveable things with the safety but when compared to offensive exploits, you should be ashamed for even knocking his user choice...that is all.

There is alot you can do to stop these routes and its been done time and time again, his game play is very narrow minded by the fact that he uses a copy cat scheme and has really no idea of what he is doing at all. If he wasnt cheesing the same play on defense, his opponent wouldnt have exploited it the way he is describing.

But im pretty sure most of you in here dont bother to play online games amongst randoms to even get a gist of where im coming from. And with this defense being broken for years has nothing to do with people usering the safety at all. Its the fact that recovery "speed" is the only factor into doing this.

Like I said before, if proper foot planting was implemented into this game, you wont see too many people playing safety as much as you see them doing it now. The risk involved would be too high and the next thing you know he will be in here complaining about that.

Im starting to think some of you never even touched a football field to even understand these simple concepts of football, not everyone is an Ed Reed, or Troy P!

[Smoke6]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

I user safety also,and its not that easy to control a safety this year, because they get pancaked if they run in the middle of a offensive line and get blocked by a big ugly.

And any thing thrown over our head, we are toast.

See, this is where we agree to disagree, the makeup speed of these players is unreal and after this past update the IE has been mediocre when it comes to running into other players and reacting realistically like before, game feels madden 12-ish alot now with that regards.

And why user the last line of defense like to if getting burned was that easy if what I stated in this thread never occurs? Doesnt make sense at all man, if thats the case you're just screaming "I wanna lose" or "beat me deep". You guys make it seem soo simple, I would never play a very risky style of ball like that only to come here and complain about it later!

[EarvGotti]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

Dood, i run Man as my base defense too. All you gotta do to stop this is throw up a DE or two in some purple zones. Kills the out route automatically.

[jjoneshbk]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

As I've already stated Smoke, I play ball IRL with a passion, so when it comes to Madden you already know it can't be passed off as true simulation. Hell, I've always said, if you plan on playing Madden as if it authentically replicates what you see on Sunday, you WILL NOT be successful online against the "Madden Ballers", I digress back to the topic.

Yes, you're correct, the makeup speed at the safety position was as unrealistic as it could get the past few years, I would know, I've played with my Ravens since before the Hit Stick was an idea in EA Tiburon's minds. But along with that, you could say the makeup speed of ALL the defenders has been pretty ridiculous..the play-making ability period has been ridiculous. I've had Haloti Ngata making 1 handed INT's in Madden 10, Ray Lewis outrunning WR's on INT returns in 09', and Ed Reed is actually Superman only he wears purple.

HOWEVER, this year, the ability to cover anyone with anyone is gone. I stand behind that and applaud it fully. But with that step forward, comes the 2 steps back. As I already said, the fact that people have to adjust their ENTIRE defensive concept to stop ONE or TWO things is ridiculous, any multi-faceted attack is unstoppable. I saw a poster the other day post in pretty much these exact words,

" Well, if you're good on defense and know what you're doing you should be able to hold the opponent in the 20's"

Now...I remember when holding the opponent to 10 or less was the norm in Baltimore IRL, and I routinely held friends and the non-cheese online players to nearly the same standard. ( My best game ever was actually a 13-16 defensive struggle loss to some Denver Bronco guy, Madden 06) The fact that it is essentially IMPOSSIBLE to play defense to that level against those that know what their doing is crazy. Now before you mention IRL, I'll also state that Madden has yet to implement successful enforcement of the penalties and things that make this possible, so the only other place to look is the gameplay correct? As I already stated, until EA correctly programs the nuances of the game INTO the videogame, people will do whatever they can do to survive/win, and if that means taking advantage of their FS to alleviate the bs of playing defense on Madden well then get the ballhawk gloves ready cuz I plan on breaking records out dis bitch.

Now yes, there are alot of variables to consider here...unlike past Maddens, LB's can't cover WR's, joe schmo DB can't outjump Randy Moss by 5 feet to get a pick (for the most part) etc, etc. And of course, the various skill levels of the folks you face online. And hell yeah, if I play against seomone that's playing straight up and not deliberately taking advantage of EA's programming shortcomings, then I'll gladly user somewhere else. But on the whole, in Madden 13', if you find yourself in NE with Baltimore, and you think you're gonna hold them to 20!? Nah....because this ain't you're older bros Madden anymore....

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Is there any possible way to stop out routes?

Dood, i run Man as my base defense too. All you gotta do to stop this is throw up a DE or two in some purple zones. Kills the out route automatically.

It's straight Madden trash but this post is the answer to the OP. If you use the purple zones with Safeties or extra cornerbacks, it won't work because I guess they are to deep. However, defensive hot routing to those purple zones, I forget what the name of them is in the preplay control screen, using DL or LBs the players will be directly underneath those outs and comebacks.

That said, it's all complete trash to me and I have given up plying online ranked because so much of this Madden stuff is unrealistic and unfounded in for football. I refuse to become some expert Madden baller, when it takes all of about 10-15 minutes "labbing" to learn how to exploit this computer program and maybe a few games to get used to doing it on the fly. I am sure watching an online ranked game of Madden would disgust John Madden.