who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

[billsmetalbooze]

hi, i'm playing with the Bills in an offline franchise.

i want to roll with a power back and want to trade CJ Spiller (i have more fun with power backs).

so... according to real life (not CCM trade logic or current Madden ratings), who would be a fair trade return for one of the most dynamic speed backs in the league?

i want a WR with good hands, either a speed merchant or possession guy with decent speed. or i'll take a tight end with great hands who can block too.

or i'll take a fullback with great speed and blocking and maybe a draft pick on top.

or what's a fair draft pick(s)?

if you were a real-life GM, what would you offer me based on what i'm looking for? please indicate actual players and their teams. i will then switch coaches to make the trade go through (whether or not the CPU oks it).

thanks.

[preaceps]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Truthfully I would like, and as a fellow Bills fan I hate to trade in conference, but A Hernandez for Spiller would be interesting for both teams.

Also I have had a lot of success signing the FA L Evans back to the Bills and putting the speedy TJ Graham in the slot. Evans and Johnson give you some reliable hands with Graham providing the speed in the slot.

[JaymeeAwesome]

According to real life you are looking at draft picks only. I'd say a second round pick.

[RogueHominid]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

I think a 3rd or 4th is more likely. He's not durable. Explosive,yes,but not worth a higher pick in my book. Is there a recent similar trade irl for comparison's sake?

[dcoop]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Maybe he could get Marshawn Lynch?

[JeriousNorwood]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Honestly, with as devalued running backs are in the NFL, I think Spiller is one of the few running backs where a team would realistically give up as much as a second round pick for him. He is a top five talent at the running back position and is still very young.

[throckmeisterz]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Honestly, with as devalued running backs are in the NFL, I think Spiller is one of the few running backs where a team would realistically give up as much as a second round pick for him. He is a top five talent at the running back position and is still very young.

Spiller? A top 5 RB? I don't think so. My top tier HBs, in no particular order: AP, Shady, Lynch, Gore, MoJo, Foster, Rice. Honorable mentions, also, no particular order: Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, Forte, Turner, Steven Jackson, possibly Alfred Morris, possibly Doug Martin (these two remain to be seen, but right now they look better than Spiller), maybe even Demarco Murray. This is my list, so disagree if you like, but if you do a quick google search of "best rbs in nfl" you won't find any list with Spiller in the top 5. He's fast, sure, but that's pretty much it. Personally, if I was the front office of a team in desperate need of a HB, and Spiller was the only guy on the market, I might give up a 3rd rounder...maybe. Probably more like a 4th rounder, or just get by with whatever scrub I have until the next draft.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Maybe he could get Marshawn Lynch?

LOL that would be poetic.

TC, I think this thread shows that you really wouldn't get equivalent value for Spiller. The guy is an electric talent but because Gailey doesn't give him the ball, he hasn't won people over yet.

[JeriousNorwood]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Spiller? A top 5 RB? I don't think so. My top tier HBs, in no particular order: AP, Shady, Lynch, Gore, MoJo, Foster, Rice. Honorable mentions, also, no particular order: Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, Forte, Turner, Steven Jackson, possibly Alfred Morris, possibly Doug Martin (these two remain to be seen, but right now they look better than Spiller), maybe even Demarco Murray. This is my list, so disagree if you like, but if you do a quick google search of "best rbs in nfl" you won't find any list with Spiller in the top 5. He's fast, sure, but that's pretty much it. Personally, if I was the front office of a team in desperate need of a HB, and Spiller was the only guy on the market, I might give up a 3rd rounder...maybe. Probably more like a 4th rounder, or just get by with whatever scrub I have until the next draft.

Top five in TALENT. You need to understand the difference. Just because Turner is putting up better stats than Spiller does not mean he is a better running back. I'm a Falcons fan. Turner is HORRIBLE. Out of all the players you mentioned, the only people I could see commanding a higher trade value at this point are:

Adrian Peterson
LeSean McCoy
Arian Foster
Ray Rice

That's it. You can't honestly tell me that a front office person would offer more for Turner, MJD, Jackson, ect. than they would Spiller. There are far too many miles logged on those players.

There's a complete difference between being a better running back and a player's value. Yes, as of right now, MJD is a better running back than Spiller. MJD, however has logged 1,570 carries and he is 27 years old. However, Spiller has carried the ball only 342 times and is only 25. MJD may play at his current level for 1-2 more years, whereas Spiller has another five solid years left. This is why Spiller is more attractive than these veterans that you're throwing out there.

That's the thing some people miss, the difference between what someone's stats are, and what someone would actually be worth.

[pinksheets]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Maybe he could get Marshawn Lynch?

Ha. I'd say zero chance the Seahawks would go for that.

Honestly, Spiller would not command more than 3rd or 4th round value in a trade. You're not getting a #1 wide receiver or anything close, and no team is going to pay a high pick for him. Not to say he's not talented, but the value of running backs are sinking pretty low and very few teams are going to be desperate enough to trade a high pick for a back unless they're a perennial contender and they're willing to part with what might be their late 2nd rounder. Like I said, RBs are devalued and then add onto that the fact that you are looking to sell, which automatically weakens your position.

And if you're looking for a powerback, I hope you've considered getting Chris Ivory. He tends to end up in FA with the Saints having so many decent backs, and he's basically a baby Marshawn. I've been running wild with him for a few seasons in my Jags rebuild CCM.

[pinksheets]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Top five in TALENT. You need to understand the difference. Just because Turner is putting up better stats than Spiller does not mean he is a better running back. I'm a Falcons fan. Turner is HORRIBLE. Out of all the players you mentioned, the only people I could see commanding a higher trade value at this point are:

Adrian Peterson
LeSean McCoy
Arian Foster
Ray Rice

That's it. You can't honestly tell me that a front office person would offer more for Turner, MJD, Jackson, ect. than they would Spiller. There are far too many miles logged on those players.

There's a complete difference between being a better running back and a player's value. Yes, as of right now, MJD is a better running back than Spiller. MJD, however has logged 1,570 carries and he is 27 years old. However, Spiller has carried the ball only 342 times and is only 25. MJD may play at his current level for 1-2 more years, whereas Spiller has another five solid years left. This is why Spiller is more attractive than these veterans that you're throwing out there.

That's the thing some people miss, the difference between what someone's stats are, and what someone would actually be worth.

I'd have to say there's no way Spiller is a bigger talent than Trent Richardson.

[Dempseylicious23]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

Top five in TALENT. You need to understand the difference. Just because Turner is putting up better stats than Spiller does not mean he is a better running back. I'm a Falcons fan. Turner is HORRIBLE. Out of all the players you mentioned, the only people I could see commanding a higher trade value at this point are:

Adrian Peterson
LeSean McCoy
Arian Foster
Ray Rice

That's it. You can't honestly tell me that a front office person would offer more for Turner, MJD, Jackson, ect. than they would Spiller. There are far too many miles logged on those players.

There's a complete difference between being a better running back and a player's value. Yes, as of right now, MJD is a better running back than Spiller. MJD, however has logged 1,570 carries and he is 27 years old. However, Spiller has carried the ball only 342 times and is only 25. MJD may play at his current level for 1-2 more years, whereas Spiller has another five solid years left. This is why Spiller is more attractive than these veterans that you're throwing out there.

That's the thing some people miss, the difference between what someone's stats are, and what someone would actually be worth.

This man speaks wise words. CJ Spiller is as explosive a back and as good at catching passes out of the backfield as anyone in the league. He really isn't that injury prone, the Bills have handcuffed him up until this season and what you're going to define a guy as injury prone after missing a couple of games in a 16 game schedule? When a guy like Bo Jackson can basically end his career on a standard tackle? No I don't buy that at all.

Spiller is rated as the most elusive HB in the history of the NFL by the gurus at Profootballfocus.com, a site that consults for 7 different NFL teams about player talent in the league. His speed, agility, lateral quickness, and acceleration are all there. The way he makes people miss tackles is incredible. His ability to burst through holes is there, and he is patient, but not so patient that he waits too long and misses his opportunity like some backs in the league.

I would rate my top six something like this.

1) Adrian Peterson
2) Ray Rice
3) Arian Foster
4) CJ Spiller
5) Marshawn Lynch
6) LeSean McCoy

I think that's extremely fair. I don't rate McCoy as highly as other guys because of the two, I'd say he's less durable than Spiller. He's been out for four games due to a concussion? I understand the season was lost a long time ago and you don't have any real reason to risk your starters, but if Andy Reid isn't a liar (which is questionable at best), then I'm led to believe that McCoy didn't pass the concussion tests, and hasn't been able to play because he isn't allowed to by independent medical personnel. Arian Foster is behind two guys because he's running behind the best rushing offensive line in the league in the best running system for their personnel. Ben Tate has had comparable success in that same system in terms of yards/carry (5.1 career to Foster's 4.5 career). Adrian Peterson is the MVP of the league so clearly #1. Ray Rice is at the two spot solely because of the 4th and 31 play where he actually picked up the first down. Hey diddle diddle, Ray Rice up the middle baby! Spiller, if given a true feature role, could easily achieve the rushing title at least once or twice in the next five years.

[preaceps]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

I'd have to say there's no way Spiller is a bigger talent than Trent Richardson.

I don't think anyone has mentioned Richardson, and yes you are right. Richardson is a first round rookie who shows a very promising career, with a slight injury risk. While Spiller still has the injury risk but is a few years older, not to mention on the older rookie contract scale.

Plus guys remember we are talking TRADE value, not best RB. There is a difference in that, although somewhat slight imo

[throckmeisterz]

Re: who would you give me in return for CJ Spiller?

1) Adrian Peterson
2) Ray Rice
3) Arian Foster
4) CJ Spiller
5) Marshawn Lynch
6) LeSean McCoy

I think that's extremely fair. I don't rate McCoy as highly as other guys because of the two, I'd say he's less durable than Spiller. He's been out for four games due to a concussion? I understand the season was lost a long time ago and you don't have any real reason to risk your starters, but if Andy Reid isn't a liar (which is questionable at best), then I'm led to believe that McCoy didn't pass the concussion tests, and hasn't been able to play because he isn't allowed to by independent medical personnel. Arian Foster is behind two guys because he's running behind the best rushing offensive line in the league in the best running system for their personnel. Ben Tate has had comparable success in that same system in terms of yards/carry (5.1 career to Foster's 4.5 career). Adrian Peterson is the MVP of the league so clearly #1. Ray Rice is at the two spot solely because of the 4th and 31 play where he actually picked up the first down. Hey diddle diddle, Ray Rice up the middle baby! Spiller, if given a true feature role, could easily achieve the rushing title at least once or twice in the next five years.

Ok, so I would have to remove some of the older guys from my list if we're talking purely trade value, but there are still probably ten guys who an unbiased person would rate as more valuable/better talents than spiller. Shady's durability is not a question. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. This is the very first time in his career where he's missed more than 1 game in a season. Are you going to question APs durability because he tore an ACL? People get injured...it's football. McCoy barely ever gets the ball because the fat walrus somehow doesn't realize he's the Eagle's best offensive talent. I'm obviously biased in favor of Shady, but his play speaks for itself.

Amended list of ten players I'd rather trade for than Spiller, still in no particular order: AP, Shady, Foster, Lynch, Rice, Richardson, Martin, Morris, Murray, and McFadden. I might also throw Johnson and Forte in there.

Now that I think about it some more, if you're going to trade for a power back, Blount would be a pretty fair and realistic trade, except for the fact that the Buccs already have Martin, and so they probably wouldn't want to trade Blount for a halfback.

[Mizzou24]

Ok, so I would have to remove some of the older guys from my list if we're talking purely trade value, but there are still probably ten guys who an unbiased person would rate as more valuable/better talents than spiller. Shady's durability is not a question. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. This is the very first time in his career where he's missed more than 1 game in a season. Are you going to question APs durability because he tore an ACL? People get injured...it's football. McCoy barely ever gets the ball because the fat walrus somehow doesn't realize he's the Eagle's best offensive talent. I'm obviously biased in favor of Shady, but his play speaks for itself.

Amended list of ten players I'd rather trade for than Spiller, still in no particular order: AP, Shady, Foster, Lynch, Rice, Richardson, Martin, Morris, Murray, and McFadden.

Now that I think about it some more, if you're going to trade for a power back, Blount would be a pretty fair and realistic trade.

Agree with most of the guys u mention but McFadden is a glass china doll