Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

[feeq14]

More than any madden in recent history, this years game was bug tastic. Messed up uniforms (where did they get the idea that the Bears would have Orange pants?) reversed wind kicking meter, broken auto subs (still broken after 3 patches!!!!), salary cap crazyness, AI playcalling, etc.

I appreciate the IE because it brought the game play a lot closer to effective and real football simulation. I do not feel as cheated by the game as i have in year past (unless im running a toss play) but I think that there was a significant sacrifice of polish this year because of it.

Still i guess what sticks out most is the fact that so many (actually all i think) of the aforementioned glitches were NEVER patched this year and likely will not be patched.

[reddogmaddogbul]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

I dont think so,poor programming/AI ,is the reason for the maddness.The IE/Physics are just augmentaded off of the animations.Meaning once a tackle animation is triggered,then and only then, the Physics sytem/IE is in play.In other words the IE is nothing more than players falling in style.

[dghustla]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

No i dont blame IE. NCAA is super glitched this year also and does not have IE.

When you don't update the gameplay/coding for 10000 years and the same glitches still work year in and year out guys become exploit pros.

Just a few things

Why cant i run down hill effectively vs Quarters man press? how does this still work even if i'm in a heavy formation?

How can someone run an A-gap blitz untouched with only 3 guys rushing?
How can a DT ever get through the line untouched?

Why do lineman on power-O stop running forward once they reach the LOS if no defender is there to block?
Hell why do lineman ever stop running forward to begin with? It's like there is an invisible barrier at the LOS that pulls them back inside lol.

Why is it impossible to for CPU controlled playes to cover the TE?

The only things they've taken away are "rocket catch" and "nano-blitz"
but with pass lead and show blitz these things are easily worked around.

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

No i dont blame IE. NCAA is super glitched this year also and does not have IE.

When you don't update the gameplay/coding for 10000 years and the same glitches still work year in and year out guys become exploit pros.

Just a few things

Why cant i run down hill effectively vs Quarters man press? how does this still work even if i'm in a heavy formation?

How can someone run an A-gap blitz untouched with only 3 guys rushing?
How can a DT ever get through the line untouched?

Why do lineman on power-O stop running forward once they reach the LOS if no defender is there to block?
Hell why do lineman ever stop running forward to begin with? It's like there is an invisible barrier at the LOS that pulls them back inside lol.

Why is it impossible to for CPU controlled playes to cover the TE?

The only things they've taken away are "rocket catch" and "nano-blitz"
but with pass lead and show blitz these things are easily worked around.

Absolutely not. The physics team was a separate team. The gameplay team was supposedly doubled, yet we got no changes to player movement, AI, line interaction or ball physics. Instead you can throw a ball over a defender and telepathically change a receivers route with the left stick. But hey, in the words of the Madden development team, they really did a lot in this year's game!

[JaymeeAwesome]

Keep in mind that EA told us it would be a 3 year cycle. You should expect these imperfections to continue until we hit year three. Once we hit year three and things aren't bug free, blast away!

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

Keep in mind that EA told us it would be a 3 year cycle. You should expect these imperfections to continue until we hit year three. Once we hit year three and things aren't bug free, blast away!

Where exactally did we set the expectations of what should be wrong in a game from a year to year cycle? I missed that thread along the way.

We aren't talking about something omitted from the game, which I would have zero issue siding with a development cycle.

For example, player customization wasent included because its part of a 3 year plan too be incooperated next year. With the next draft classes in CCM it made the players distorted when edited.

Thats a 3 year program kinda problem and one we can all accept. Complete with a excluded feature, valid reason for removal and description of what game addition created negative results.


We aren't even talking about features or options, we are talking about the fundemental principles of the game. Some of these are aspects which the gameplay should be BUILT AROUND, not viewed as a supplemental addition.

You can't give me valid reasons of a three year plan for line play being predicated on "win / loss" set of animations. Very few times will DT or DE generate pressure by collapsing a pocket. Rather the OL will either strafe behind or just lose the battle and give a free shot at the QB.

Likewise when the game fails to include reaching and allows LBs to skim past lineman or forces them to motion shift together.

The three year argument isnt that valid anymore. Unless your willing to admit a physics based engine was included into the game, knowing it would compromise football principles of the sport it simulates. Read that a few times and let it sink in.

If your willing to buy into that concept then your telling me all I need to know. Your letting them tell you this is football and believing it, even when you can see that it's not.

[juggalotusx]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

Keep in mind that EA told us it would be a 3 year cycle. You should expect these imperfections to continue until we hit year three. Once we hit year three and things aren't bug free, blast away!

Really they had more than 3 years when it came out in 06 for xbox, thats 6 years which brings us to 12 a very poor game IMO.
Then EA said we are building this years game from scratch from the ground up, um wrong EA ya tricked us again they just layered it over the top, the IE that is. Which then caused more problems than STEVE O in a crack house. EA has had plenty of time over the years to get it right, heck it only took sega 2 to make a pretty special game back in the day. EA knows the game makes money so why put alot of rework into a franchise that has the only rights to the NFL and is a house hold name. Honestly Ive loved madden over the years only because I had no other fix for NFL football. The only way for EA to really make a great game out of the box is if people stopped buying for a year, but we all know that will not happen...

[JaymeeAwesome]

To me, Madden us a football video game. A video game. Not something to simulate real life. I play this game like I used to play Tecmo Bowl, "This is great, I can play as real NFL players and accumulate statistics as I go through a season to win the Super Bowl". I play video games to escape real life, not trying to emulate it. I keep things even more interesting when playing because I try to get my players and my opposing team to get semi-realistic stats. My only real gripe is the simulation engine. I could care less about offensive line play, man vs zone mishaps, and less than perfection AI play calling. It simulates enough of football to get by. That's all I require for my $60.

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

To me, Madden us a football video game. A video game. Not something to simulate real life. It simulates enough of football to get by. That's all I require for my $60.

Then you need to use that as your signature because it shows your point of view behind every post.

I can respect that's how you chose to view the game. What you need to understand is the game is market as a "realistic simulation" of NFL football, that's direct from EA.

If your not willing to hold them responsible to the marketing to justify your purchase, that's on you. However in terms of discussing improving the game, your opinion wouldn't be credible. Simply because you have made a personal decision to accept whatever game is provided as football, because that's what it's titled.

Unbias improvement discusson starts when you admit the game ultimately is not as advertised and generally sub standard for the sports genre.

[redsfan4life]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

It's really sad what EA football has become. Didn't play a down of EA football this year other than demo's. Fingers crossed that '14 is playable.

[reddogmaddogbul]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

Then you need to use that as your signature because it shows your point of view behind every post.

I can respect that's how you chose to view the game. What you need to understand is the game is market as a "realistic simulation" of NFL football, that's direct from EA.

If your not willing to hold them responsible to the marketing to justify your purchase, that's on you. However in terms of discussing improving the game, your opinion wouldn't be credible. Simply because you have made a personal decision to accept whatever game is provided as football, because that's what it's titled.

Unbias improvement discusson starts when you admit the game ultimately is not as advertised and generally sub standard for the sports genre.

Real Talk Moody

[JaymeeAwesome]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

Then you need to use that as your signature because it shows your point of view behind every post.

I can respect that's how you chose to view the game. What you need to understand is the game is market as a "realistic simulation" of NFL football, that's direct from EA.

If your not willing to hold them responsible to the marketing to justify your purchase, that's on you. However in terms of discussing improving the game, your opinion wouldn't be credible. Simply because you have made a personal decision to accept whatever game is provided as football, because that's what it's titled.

Unbias improvement discusson starts when you admit the game ultimately is not as advertised and generally sub standard for the sports genre.

The term "Realistic Simulation" is interpreted different by every person. To me, and many others who don't come to forums, this game is as realistic as I can see possible. Plus, they advertise features on the box. Each of those features actually work. I understand that you and other people expect more for a measly $60, but I don't see that justifiable. For $60 they gaurantee NFL teams and NFL players, that is has every single feature on the back of the box, and that you can play online and offline (Single game or CCM). It's a foolish consumer move to expect more than what's placed in front of you. Best thing is that you don't even need to spend $60 to see if you would like the game. Places like gamefly and redbox allow you to rent it for low cost.

Sure there can be major improvements, sure it could be better at mirroring the NFL....but it's a video game. Not one that you are forced to purchase, one that you have a choice to purchase. This game will never "Wow" you because your expectations are too high. Also, the majority of sports gamers don't care about simulation football. All they care about is going online and destroying their friends and the online community. At some point you have to come to the realization that this is the best we're going to get, so learn to enjoy it at face value or leave it in the dust. I'm a glass half-full type of guy that, if I spend money on something, I will find ways to enjoy it. I hope you can do the same and lead a happier life.

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

The term "Realistic Simulation" is interpreted different by every person. To me, and many others who don't come to forums, this game is as realistic as I can see possible. Plus, they advertise features on the box. Each of those features actually work. I understand that you and other people expect more for a measly $60, but I don't see that justifiable. For $60 they gaurantee NFL teams and NFL players, that is has every single feature on the back of the box, and that you can play online and offline (Single game or CCM). It's a foolish consumer move to expect more than what's placed in front of you. Best thing is that you don't even need to spend $60 to see if you would like the game. Places like gamefly and redbox allow you to rent it for low cost.

Sure there can be major improvements, sure it could be better at mirroring the NFL....but it's a video game. Not one that you are forced to purchase, one that you have a choice to purchase. This game will never "Wow" you because your expectations are too high. Also, the majority of sports gamers don't care about simulation football. All they care about is going online and destroying their friends and the online community. At some point you have to come to the realization that this is the best we're going to get, so learn to enjoy it at face value or leave it in the dust. I'm a glass half-full type of guy that, if I spend money on something, I will find ways to enjoy it. I hope you can do the same and lead a happier life.

All I can say is that if I knew i could start a business and have 1000 customers like you I'd be a wealthy man.

I'll add to this... You stated that his expectations are too high and he should live a happier life. What makes you think he isn't happy? Also - the reason many are upset over this is because they had a realistic simulation that players who desire that can play. No one cared about the hot mess of Madden because they had their piece of the pie. Now that it's been taken away, there is only one option. Like Moody said, you are entitled to your opinion on how to view the game. Others - many others I might add, view things very differently. Most of us just wish another company could make a better game and we could forget about madden again. I can honestly say I would have never joined OS had this exclusive deal not happened. I could have given 2 sh#ts about Madden. While many find ways to tolerate the game, just because others have taken a stance to actively attempt to change things for the better does not make them "glass half-empty" guys or negative nancy's. It's not about the 60.00 either. Many would pay 100.00 if the game was even close to the other game we had when it comes to representing real football in a game.

It's like driving a porsche for 10 years and then being forced to drive a smart car...

[KANE699]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

No all the messed up uniforms are a part of myself no longer working there, they feel they have no reason to hire me I guess.

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Was the development of IE the reason we got such a glitchy game this year?

Why do all these posts have to end with if you cant accept the game for what it is you must lead a horrid unhappy existance. Because I'm not willing to accept a poor product, really?

Price is relative to the marketplace, so again your hurting your argument by saying what I "expect" for my money. Because now your allowing me to compare Madden to other much more simulation based games. So where are we resting Maddens short comings now?

Honestly Jaymee, you leave me with the impression your not spending your own money. I know when I was a kid, if a game was terrible I didn't care because my parents got it for me, I was at no loss. Let me give you a recent poor transaction of mine and I'd like you to validate how you would have accepted the situation.


Last week I dropped $1,600 at the Colts Pro Shop. When the items arrived, one of the jerseys not game used as it had been advertised. The COA and jersey both reflected "Game Issued" however I was charged for a "Game Worn".

Upon contacting them, I was sent the correct jersey and a pre paid mailer to return the wrong one. However it wasent without a dispute of could I just "keep it at a discount". I explained to them if they had a line of people infront of them willing to spend $500 per jersey, I would kindly return all three.