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  • AncientEgypt
    Rookie
    • Aug 2010
    • 17

    #1

    Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

    I'm John Madden Footballer since the very beginning of its DNA.
    played it in 1988! owned the box and disc and book since 1988.

    Concerning Defense I played starting LineBacker in school & TE.
    As far as Madden, to me I always wanted Football to feel as real as possible. if I play Offense in Madden with the camera behind the Offense its pretty dam good game play. That is if I'm on Offense.

    Yet, when I am playing Defense, I am still subjected to using the camera behind Offense Camera View.
    ((Offense on bottom of screen: Defense on top of the screen))

    This classical view is way OLD!! and way Out of touch while on DEFENSE!
    To me: The Camera behind the DEFENSE while on Defense is by far the better view while on Defense.
    ((Defense on the bottom of the screen: Offense on top))

    Why they put this view in and then took it out!? we were playing in this view just fine, and if you can't play Camera behind Defense view while on DEFENSE then go back to playing Offense! so you can use the Camera behind Offense view.

    In moving on:
    It is time for a Upgrade of this franchise because it definitely needs it. It bothers me, that NCAA Football get more things right in my opinion! than
    Madden!


    I hate games that takeaway Options and customization of the game.
    Don't take away my options! give me more! You got to understand I started playing this game in 1988!!!! Its freaking 2013!! they suppose to give us more customization!! and more options!!! I should have the choice!! and freedom to play Madden in any View I like on Defense and Offense.
    The same view I can play on Offense i should have that same view on Defense!!!!

    Change the game towards Offense have to play behind the Defense view!!!
    (((Defense on the bottom of the screen: Offense on top))

    and see how many will like that!!! but fair is fair, all views should be available to every last Madden player! in History!

    Next Motion:
    This is what I don't understand!
    We're paying Twice more for the same game franchise Brand New yet we have more problems!!!!? are you freaking kidding Me!!!!!!!

    Back in the day (1988-1993) Madden worked! no one never had to say anything about a Broken game, it just work! and just like today!! you have Way more people buying Madden! than in the 80's!! way more supporters!! way more Hype! way more Buzz!!! no way near as many Parents frowning down because your playing Madden!!! like if they never heard of it before!!! and on top of all that the price has double!!! and they telling me they still can't make a freaking working Madden title with no bugs!!!! and its
    25years later!


    Enough of that
    Please give the world back while on Defense the Camera behind Defense view, or put me on the Quality Assurance Team please so we can straighten this game out!! & give the WORLD! the Madden Gameplay that it deserves
  • BleedGreen710
    Eagles Fan
    • Oct 2012
    • 4025

    #2
    Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

    if the camera was behind the defense it would be really difficult to play defense

    what will the camera do if your controlling the defensive tackle and the CPU throws a deep bomb? BACK OUT? that would be really bad in my opinion

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    • Mbunn1993
      Pro
      • Nov 2012
      • 870

      #3
      Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

      Originally posted by BleedGreen710
      if the camera was behind the defense it would be really difficult to play defense

      what will the camera do if your controlling the defensive tackle and the CPU throws a deep bomb? BACK OUT? that would be really
      bad in my opinion
      Play NCAA. It's like that, and I think it's way easier, not to mention more realistic

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      • BleedGreen710
        Eagles Fan
        • Oct 2012
        • 4025

        #4
        Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

        Originally posted by Mbunn1993
        Play NCAA. It's like that, and I think it's way easier, not to mention more realistic
        What are you talking about? Madden and NCAA have the same cameras. Unless your talking about road to the heisman or whatever its called where they have that specific player camera, which would be an irrelevent thing to compare because the original poster was talking about normal gameplay.

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        • TheBleedingRed21
          Game Dev
          • Oct 2010
          • 5071

          #5
          Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

          Honestly, I would never touch the game again if they made defense play backwards.
          PSN: TheBleedingRed21
          Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/TheBleedingRED21_OS

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          • macca2509
            Rookie
            • Dec 2011
            • 198

            #6
            Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

            Would be nice to have the option tho, best of both worlds....

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            • AncientEgypt
              Rookie
              • Aug 2010
              • 17

              #7
              Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

              BleedGreen: Much respect to your post by the way.

              (((if the camera was behind the defense it would be really difficult to play defense

              what will the camera do if your controlling the defensive tackle and the CPU throws a deep bomb? BACK OUT? that would be really bad in my opinion))

              I don't see it as difficult as play. Yes its has a learning curve just like the thousands and millions gamethat exist in history. Its a Mastery to learn yes, but its more closer to the REAL thing as far as playing DEFENSE. That is exactly how we had to learn it.


              Actually Mr.Bleed Madden and NCAA do not have the exact same cameras, at least not in the defensive point of view, and I think just this year
              Madden 13 is just using zoom. In which NCAA had a close of view all along. Madden began backing out the view like in Madden 12.


              TheBleedingRed21: Actually, that isn't Backwards.
              Its actually the correct way. When i play Linebacker in real life I am facing the Offense. I am not looking down at the Offense. I'm seeing them infront of me. So in actuality, the way Madden defensive play is set now is Backwards according to real life standards. The game suppose to be growing closer to real life not staying away from it.

              Now remember I agree with customization, I feel the game should be played from your point of view as well as Mine.

              I don't agree with just putting in my option to play and that is it.
              I want to be able to have my option included a long with the original classic top down defensive play
              Last edited by AncientEgypt; 02-17-2013, 04:38 PM. Reason: reworked

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              • bichettehappens
                MVP
                • Jun 2010
                • 2547

                #8
                Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

                I wouldn't use that function unless I was playing as an individual player. But I haven't done that in years anyway

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                • kehlis
                  Moderator
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 27738

                  #9
                  Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

                  Originally posted by BleedGreen710
                  What are you talking about? Madden and NCAA have the same cameras. Unless your talking about road to the heisman or whatever its called where they have that specific player camera, which would be an irrelevent thing to compare because the original poster was talking about normal gameplay.
                  Incorrect,

                  NCAA has a player lock that will move the camera behind your player on defense in any game mode, I've (along with many others) have been asking for them to bring that to Madden for awhile which what the OP is asking for.

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                  • AncientEgypt
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 17

                    #10
                    Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

                    kehlis you will have my support and 100percent backing to bring this option into Madden. If you wish to do a poll, website or page here about making that happen. Please let me know I will be in 100percent. I will try to contact EA again concerning this.



                    bichettehappens: I agree with you actually there is nothing wrong with playing any of the Game Modes within itself in my opinion in Madden, but!
                    If your like me, You have played the Classical way since 1988 to 2007 over and over you eventually want to do something different. So therefore, I play
                    "SuperStar Mode, or watch the PC vs PC in Franchise mode or Coach modes.
                    That is mainly what I am doing now because I have played the classical way of controlling the team in versus computer play for nearly 20years.

                    So the classical mode controlling my whole team during gameplay is the original mode. I just don't have the same interest to play that mode as others. I still will play casually though but not Competitive like I use to for first 20years of Madden DNA. Game companies also have to take into consideration that the original Madden players that actually really started playing in the 80's and 1990 Genesis & SNES are getting much older, we're not getting any younger. so doing things the same way over and over may not interest everyone.

                    I jump on Madden from the beginning 1988. Call me a pioneer but all of us early Madden players had to deal with the constant Harassment of
                    Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson players because it was the most dominate football game during that timem until Madden began slowly changing that!,
                    Joe Montana Football fans and fight them to tell them! that this game will bring gameplay the way football was meant to be made, and continuing improving in the Future!! Not yours

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                    • avwhitechic
                      A DB'S SWAG
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 264

                      #11
                      Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

                      Dude we've been fighting this battle for 8 years now....SAD
                      My Alter Ego is better than Your Normal

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                      • Hooe
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 21555

                        #12
                        Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

                        I am a fan of having a reversed camera on defense and / or mimicking the NCAA Football Player Lock camera functionality added into Madden as an option.

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                        • Hooe
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 21555

                          #13
                          Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

                          Originally posted by AncientEgypt
                          This is what I don't understand!
                          We're paying Twice more for the same game franchise Brand New yet we have more problems!!!!? are you freaking kidding Me!!!!!!!

                          Back in the day (1988-1993) Madden worked! no one never had to say anything about a Broken game, it just work! and just like today!! you have Way more people buying Madden! than in the 80's!! way more supporters!! way more Hype! way more Buzz!!! no way near as many Parents frowning down because your playing Madden!!! like if they never heard of it before!!! and on top of all that the price has double!!! and they telling me they still can't make a freaking working Madden title with no bugs!!!! and its
                          25years later!
                          At the risk of venturing off-topic, I want to comment on this specifically. This standard isn't reasonable and isn't historically accurate.

                          The Internet wasn't readily available for residential use until the mid-late 1990s, and it didn't really begin to hit its stride until the rise of Web 2.0 in the 2000s. Of course you didn't hear about anything "broken" about the early versions of Madden, because there was no readily available global sounding board for the "broken" game. I would venture to guess that if one were to go play Madden NFL 95 right now that one would find bugs in the game. It's a commonly-accepted line of thought that no piece of commercial software - video game or otherwise - is ever released bug-free.

                          This doesn't even get into the evolution of video games as a medium. In the 1990s, video games were still low-tech toys. In the 1990s, state-of-the-art was "blast processing" done by the Sega Genesis, a phrase which has no technical meaning and was pure advertising jargon. By contrast, today the most popular video games are big-budget blockbuster works of art on the scale of the biggest Hollywood movies (thus the price increase; Madden is certainly no exception to these trends). More exposure and bigger budgets for the medium, alongside rapidly advancing technology on account of Moore's Law (neither of which - the advancing tech or Moore's Law - will I touch on here lest I venture too much further off-topic) means the potential for video games as a medium and also the critical standard by which video games are measured rises.

                          It only naturally follows, then, that - given the higher standard, broader audience, and greater ease of communication with said audience - any problems games have today are going to be magnified greatly compared to the older and simpler games from nostalgia. Put any two games - one from the 1990s, one from the today - from the same genre side-by-side today, remove nostalgia from the equation, and it's a no-contest evaluation in favor of the newer, more advanced (both in terms of technology required / utilized and learned / applied knowledge of game design) product.
                          Last edited by Hooe; 02-18-2013, 12:54 AM.

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                          • BleedGreen710
                            Eagles Fan
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 4025

                            #14
                            Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

                            Originally posted by kehlis
                            Incorrect,

                            NCAA has a player lock that will move the camera behind your player on defense in any game mode, I've (along with many others) have been asking for them to bring that to Madden for awhile which what the OP is asking for.
                            Well thats strange because he didnt mention player lock at all in his entire post.. why is why I didnt think of that.

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                            • AncientEgypt
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 17

                              #15
                              Re: Put the Camera behind the Defense while on Defense

                              all my comments will be in bold after this immediate write up right here and I do agree with Player Lock also BleedGreen710

                              avwhitechic....I agree with your post entirely

                              CM Hooe....I agree with your first post entirely thank you

                              So lets move down to your CM Hooe second post:
                              First I will like to thank you for making a nice intelligent post CM Hooe on the subject. I definitely appreciate the read as well as everyone else that has posted on this forum on this subject. lets move on to my point concerning your write up

                              although I see your point and you definitely have a point in your second write up. I do fully agree with you



                              CM Hooe
                              At the risk of venturing off-topic, I want to comment on this specifically. This standard isn't reasonable and isn't historically accurate.

                              The Internet wasn't readily available for residential use until the mid-late 1990s, and it didn't really begin to hit its stride until the rise of Web 2.0 in the 2000s.
                              I don't fully agree here, I feel it really began hitting stride in the late 1990s shortly after the release of the Cable Modem


                              Of course you didn't hear about anything "broken" about the early versions of Madden, because there was no readily available global sounding board for the "broken" game.

                              Well many of us played the earlier Maddens back when it actually was release. We all would be intelligent enough to seen or sense a bug or 2. Madden didn't have any bugs back then whatsoever it just played. Everyone whom I spoke to with there versions also didn't have a bug issue. Not only that the magazines during that time also didn't notice anything to be a major issue as well


                              I would venture to guess that if one were to go play Madden NFL 95 right now that one would find bugs in the game.

                              Okay you said 1995: Remember I'm not talking about 1995 Madden in my post whatsoever. I mention earlier versions such as 1988 through 1993. 1995 Version of Madden I don't compare to earlier version of Madden because that is when some began jumping towards playing Madden.

                              It's a commonly-accepted line of thought that no piece of commercial software - video game or otherwise - is ever released bug-free.

                              Well I'm old school, I feel they shouldn't release the game if its not Major Bug free. Also if your going to give me bugs! knowingly your going to put out a game with bugs... then don't charge me double price! with No Book in the box. Madden back in the day gave you a Game, Thick Book, plus at Half the price. Madden today give you today a Disc, with no Book, but I paying nearing $50 towards nearing $70 dollars for the game.

                              This doesn't even get into the evolution of video games as a medium. In the 1990s, video games were still low-tech toys. In the 1990s, state-of-the-art was "blast processing" done by the Sega Genesis, a phrase which has no technical meaning and was pure advertising jargon. By contrast, today the most popular video games are big-budget blockbuster works of art on the scale of the biggest Hollywood movies (thus the price increase; Madden is certainly no exception to these trends). More exposure and bigger budgets for the medium, alongside rapidly advancing technology on account of Moore's Law (neither of which - the advancing tech or Moore's Law - will I touch on here lest I venture too much further off-topic) means the potential for video games as a medium and also the critical standard by which video games are measured rises.



                              Yes, with also lazier teams that do not want to put the right people on their Teams and enough on Quality Assurance Boards. To me that is an excuse. If your going to release a game out every year, then put the Teams together in order to make that happened to have it bug free as possible. If you can't do that, then do not release the game every year if you can't keep up with the paste. The only games that I feel should have a excuse for having bugs is the Newest Games that are release with the newest System. Now those have a excuse but don't keep releasing a game with bugs and the system have been out over 5years and you have 5 yrs to correct the process.

                              TRUST me if I was CEO of Electronic Arts! I will Guarantee BUG free games for the next Decade. If I release more than one game with Bugs in a 360day year period to the market then you all as the consumer have the Right to FIRE! my ***! with a 3/4th majority VOTE!! I will be a CEO whom is for the Gaming Community! and the Gaming World! and let them have input into the decisions in the game making process under a NDA Agreement! or
                              Confidential Contractual Agreement The CCA!!!
                              Last edited by AncientEgypt; 02-18-2013, 03:49 PM. Reason: change thank you

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