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Old 11-30-2006, 07:26 PM   #2769
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I love Peavy, but just out of curiousity...

what do you guys think of Adrian vs. Loney in LA? Which one makes the better pro when they've been around for a few years?
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Old 11-30-2006, 09:41 PM   #2770
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I'm praying San Diego cannot be that stupid.
After seeing what Manny did to the Yankees last year, I'd think you'd be all for any deal that gets him out of the division.

I love Peavy as much as the next guy, but in all honesty, where does he fit in on the 2007 Red Sox? Would they kick a guy like Tim Wakefield to the curb in favor of Peavy? Even though that scenario probably makes the Red Sox a better team, it would be a disgrace to cast aside Wakefield like that. Perhaps they would be forced to put Papelbon in the bullpen.

And anyone who thinks in that scenario they could just give up on Matsuzaka isn't thinking it through. If the Sox broke off talks with him and Boras they would ruin their credibility in the Japanese market and no one coming from over there would want to play for the Red Sox.
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Old 11-30-2006, 09:46 PM   #2771
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After seeing what Manny did to the Yankees last year, I'd think you'd be all for any deal that gets him out of the division.

I love Peavy as much as the next guy, but in all honesty, where does he fit in on the 2007 Red Sox? Would they kick a guy like Tim Wakefield to the curb in favor of Peavy? Even though that scenario probably makes the Red Sox a better team, it would be a disgrace to cast aside Wakefield like that. Perhaps they would be forced to put Papelbon in the bullpen.

And anyone who thinks in that scenario they could just give up on Matsuzaka isn't thinking it through. If the Sox broke off talks with him and Boras they would ruin their credibility in the Japanese market and no one coming from over there would want to play for the Red Sox.

We learned last year it's better to have too much pitching than too little.

And with Schilling gone next year, it doesn't create quite that big of a problem.
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Hideki Okajima is guaranteed $2.5 million under the terms of the two-year deal he signed with the Red Sox on Thursday. Included is a $1.75 million option for 2009.

It sounds like an even better signing for Boston at that price. GM Theo Epstein said he envisions Okajima as a setup man and occasional specialist against lefty batters. The soon-to-be 31-year-old was introduced at a press conference today. "My name is Hideki Okajima, and I like Boston," he said in English before switching to an interpreter. "Call me Okaji."

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"My name Borat.... I like you.... I like sex!!"
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Old 11-30-2006, 09:59 PM   #2772
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We learned last year it's better to have too much pitching than too little.

And with Schilling gone next year, it doesn't create quite that big of a problem.



All I can think of is

"My name Borat.... I like you.... I like sex!!"
You are right in that you can't have too much pitching but the Red Sox also can't just take a talent like any of the ones projected to fill a spot in their rotation and banish them to the bullpen. It's possible someone would volunteer to work out of the 'pen to start the season, but I'm not sure that's something the Red Sox can count on. They also have the unknown that is Jon Lester (and Matt Clement, but no one expects him to be with this team in April).
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:08 PM   #2773
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Jon Lester, if healthy, will probably start in AAA to get his command problems under control.

Clement is done...
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:20 PM   #2774
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Also don't forget that, if asked, Wakefield would probably more than likely switch to the bullpen. He's done it before and can do it again, and if the team went to him and said "We need you to do this" I'm sure he wouldn't say 'no' or feel like they turned their backs on him.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:33 PM   #2775
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There's no reason to believe San Diego would be willing to move Peavy, so I find it difficult to put faith in those rumors. Proven, talented starting pitchers under the age of 26 really aren't traded that often.

If Peavy was available in a Ramirez trade, the Red Sox would immediately have to accept. Having a set rotation for the next 4 years with a core of:

Jake Peavy
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Jonathan Papelbon
Josh Beckett

arguably makes the Red Sox the favorites to win the World Series every year. But again, I find it hard to believe San Diego would move their franchise player and face of the team.

Also, there should be no discussion of moving or relying on Matt Clement for anything in 2007. His right arm is mush, and no team would have any interest in obtaining his services. He will get paid, then become a free agent after the 2007 season.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:53 PM   #2776
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You know I'd be the first to tell you if that trade happened Petco Park would be burned to the ground not so much because of Peavy, but because fans here do not want to Adrian Gonzalez go. For whatever reason a majority of the people don't really care if Peavy is traded (especially for someone like Manny or Alex Rodriguez, trade rumors were also swirling on that one).

Personally, I think the Padres would be dumb to part with both. Gonzalez will improve over last season and was our best offensive player. He plays a gold glove caliber defense, something the Padres shouldn't throw away.

As for Peavy, no way do I want the Padres to break up the rotation with him, Chris Young, and Clay Hensley (look that guy up, yeah, he's good).

Now I've looked through here and saw a couple of speculated trade proposals.

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SD Padres trade:

Brian Giles
Khalil Greene
Scott Linebrink
Prospect

For

Manny Ramirez
Willy Mo
In that trade, the Padres prospect they'd give up would be their best pitching prospect, Cesar Carrillo. Several people who follow the Padres closely have been hoping for Carrillo to be in the rotation to begin the season.

The reason why Kevin Towers would do this trade is to move Giles, get rid of Greene who has been a disappointment, and get rid of Linebrink while he still has value for a cleanup hitter and a guy with the power of Wily Mo Pena. I don't know who would get the best of that trade though.

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You re talking a..
24yr old power hitting 1B
25yr old power pitcher who has established himself as a workhorse and ace
and a prospect for...

34yr old power hitting lf who wants out
33yr old 3b who didn't hit anything worth a damn in the second half(.257)
a potential ace
and a mid-level prospect
If that trade were to happen, we don't give you a prospect. We have no use for Mike Lowell as we already have Kevin Kouzmanoff at third base and no way does he play second base for us. If KT is going to part with Peavy and A-Gon, we better get something more than just a mid-level prospect and a mediocre thirdbasemen even if the deal includes Manny Ramirez.

I really don't see this trade happening and if it does, I expect it'll be Linebrink, Greene, Carrillo, and maybe Wells traded (Jared Wells, another top Padres SP prospect) just for Manny Ramirez.
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