2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

[JaSnake16]

In years past, RAZRr1275 was the man when it came to updating the pitch repertoires from SCEAs stock set which were always inaccurate. Last year he and Pope300hitter05 did a phenominal job implementing them into OSFM.

Unfortunately, Razr cannot commit the time necessary to implement this into this years version of OSFM. Im going to take a best attempt to replicate his work. I will pick Razr's brain and Pope was grateful enough to send me over his spreadsheets from last season and IlStu was also equally grateful in sending over some work that he did on his own which was a combination of Razr and Bahnzo. I have started compiling the data and will start inputting work shortly after the initial release of this years OSFM.

IlStu has volunteered to help do testing for this set. Im also hoping that ThirdDegree5803 (my collaborator on the OSFM V4 re-rates last season) and Pope will also be able to give some time in testing and critique. If anyone has any input on specific MLB stock (and I stress MLB stock, Knight always did a great job on the minors guys) pitcher edits, please discuss here. If anyone wants to help test, PM me.

Thanks and hoping to at least provide something close to what Razr and Pope (and anyone else I apologise for not being aware of) have accomplished in the past.

[ilstu24]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

That Cardinals article I sent you via PM does a good job breaking down some pitches. Hopefully some of that would be useful to you.

[Tommyklaid]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

In my opinion...


The "pitch edits" are possibly one of the MOST important attributes to editing the game - VERY important!

[JaSnake16]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

In my opinion...


The "pitch edits" are possibly one of the MOST important attributes to editing the game - VERY important!

I 100% agree with this, which is why I am going to give this a shot. I usually waited until Razr produced his version of OSFM before I started my franchise. I wouldnt start work on V4 last season until Razr got his pitch edits in game so you see how I stress the importance of having this. I plan on utilizing all of the information given to me as well as utilize the brooksbaseball site which has a vast amount of pitch fx data.

[flute_316]

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are you going to post a spread sheet for those of us who are unable to download online?

[JaSnake16]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

are you going to post a spread sheet for those of us who are unable to download online?

I can probably do that. I'm going to put all my data on a spreadsheet prior to inputting it into the game.

[MattUMD224]

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I can help to if you send me the correct information

[flute_316]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

I can probably do that. I'm going to put all my data on a spreadsheet prior to inputting it into the game.

Awesome, cant wait to see the work.

[Tommyklaid]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

are you going to post a spread sheet for those of us who are unable to download online?

This would be awesome for the rest of us!

-The biggest problem is that SCEA gives everyone the 4seam fastball as their #1 pitch when that is not always the case....yes, it may be their 'most consistent' pitch or "go-to" pitch, but it's not the case for every pitcher these days...some are sinker ball-pitchers (2seamers).

I will not be using the OSFM set, because I've put waaaaaay too much editing 'myself' into my current roster - I do everything manually...

..that being said...


...once you post the pitch edits (on the spreadsheet) I will be editing my rosters.

[stealyerface]

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I do love the Pitch Edits, however last year I was amazed to see how many pitchers had lost their 4-seam fastballs, and especially guys with well-documented 4SFB as well.

Jon Lester comes to mind. He has a beautiful 4-seamer, as well as a cutter and 2-seamer, but in teh Pitch Edits last year, his 4-seamer was erased.

Why would an editor remove a pitch from the arsenal, especially for someone who has a + 4-seamer?

~syf

[flute_316]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

Here is a decent site that may help http://brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php

This part is the most important part of editing and the hardest.

[JaSnake16]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

I do love the Pitch Edits, however last year I was amazed to see how many pitchers had lost their 4-seam fastballs, and especially guys with well-documented 4SFB as well.

Jon Lester comes to mind. He has a beautiful 4-seamer, as well as a cutter and 2-seamer, but in teh Pitch Edits last year, his 4-seamer was erased.

Why would an editor remove a pitch from the arsenal, especially for someone who has a + 4-seamer?

~syf

I understand the logic of why they lost their four seamer. There are very few pitchers who throw fastballs that travel straight as an arrow as they do in game. Pitch FX shows this. Even though it is a four seem grip, most fastballs have some ride, cut or sink to it. The riding fastball is a much better emulation of a true four seamer than the actual four seamer in-game. While Lester does throw a great four-seam it is not straight.

Here is a decent site that may help http://brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php

This part is the most important part of editing and the hardest.

Actually thats the site Ive looked at most, it has a ton of info and I seem to prefer it at the moment to fangraphs but I am also gonna take a look at the texasleaguers site which was PMed to me.

[TripleThreat1973]

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For your purposes, texasleaguers is going to be, by far, more useful ... since each pitcher's pitches are already broken down into % thrown and movement. Then you can just uses Bahnzo's formulas for pitch break based on pitch type, or come up with your own.

What is missing, and perhaps, of great importance is "control" ratings data. In other words, I am not finding many/any sites that show a pitcher's strike %, or even better "in zone %" for each pitch type.

I do have leaguewide data for such a thing, and have combined it with overall pitcher control to come up with individual pitch control ratings.

Fangraphs pitch values incorporate results but also movement to give run values for each pitcher's individual pitches. Better yet they break it down to a value per "100 pitches of that type" (the x/C stats).

I used that for a break rating (scaled to the pitchfx break lengths) for my movement calculations. IMHO, it better represents the "best individual pitches" ... better then break length. But that is purely preference.

I can share everything or nothing, depending on your preference.

I appreciate the individual or personal nature of doing this type of things. Sometimes you want input, other times you have your own idea of what you want to do ... and really, in some cases, it's better for one guy to do it with one system, so that a consistent approach is taken for all players & pitches.

I you want any further input, say so. If not, no offense taken. Like I said, I know how these things are.

[JaSnake16]

Re: 2011 OSFM Pitch Edits

For your purposes, texasleaguers is going to be, by far, more useful ... since each pitcher's pitches are already broken down into % thrown and movement. Then you can just uses Bahnzo's formulas for pitch break based on pitch type, or come up with your own.

What is missing, and perhaps, of great importance is "control" ratings data. In other words, I am not finding many/any sites that show a pitcher's strike %, or even better "in zone %" for each pitch type.

I do have leaguewide data for such a thing, and have combined it with overall pitcher control to come up with individual pitch control ratings.

Fangraphs pitch values incorporate results but also movement to give run values for each pitcher's individual pitches. Better yet they break it down to a value per "100 pitches of that type" (the x/C stats).

I used that for a break rating (scaled to the pitchfx break lengths) for my movement calculations. IMHO, it better represents the "best individual pitches" ... better then break length. But that is purely preference.

I can share everything or nothing, depending on your preference.

I appreciate the individual or personal nature of doing this type of things. Sometimes you want input, other times you have your own idea of what you want to do ... and really, in some cases, it's better for one guy to do it with one system, so that a consistent approach is taken for all players & pitches.

I you want any further input, say so. If not, no offense taken. Like I said, I know how these things are.

Oh, input is something I really want LOL. When it comes to breaks Razr utilized a system which he relayed to me in which I can try to replicate to represent break length. Thats more the jist of this aspect, try to mirror the real life repertoire. Ted Lilly should throw a big looping curve in game because thats what he throws in real life. Thats not really something that can be quantified. Its more trial and error in game with stuff like that. Control however is a whole different story. I am more than interested in having you help in this aspect.

[nmazz]

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id really like to know how Bahnzo or razr or triplethreats do their break ratings. i can seem to figure out how he came about it on the roster tools he provided.