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  • rudyjuly2
    Cade Cunningham
    • Aug 2002
    • 14816

    #1

    Difference between All-Star and Veteran

    For those that have played on both levels, can you describe what is different about the two levels?

    All I know is that All-Star has zone hitting vs. Veteran timed hitting. I expect it to be harder but are there significant differences besides a simple jump in difficulty? Does the CPU pitch differently or execute different strategies? Thanks.
  • pberardi
    Pro
    • Apr 2005
    • 964

    #2
    Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

    Originally posted by rudyjuly2
    For those that have played on both levels, can you describe what is different about the two levels?

    All I know is that All-Star has zone hitting vs. Veteran timed hitting. I expect it to be harder but are there significant differences besides a simple jump in difficulty? Does the CPU pitch differently or execute different strategies? Thanks.
    Good question: I'm anxious to hear from folks. I just played my last game on Veteran. I'm going to Allstar. It's not because I'm too good, but because I think it Veteran plays just like last year's game with the exception of an extra walk per game. BFD. Other than that its the same old 17 hit fiesta with too many 0-2 counts. Once again, working the count is for losers.

    I'm hoping in allstar, the cpu nibbles more and is less predictable on certain counts. My fear is striking out 10x per game will eventually lead me to that "other" game.

    Damn, can't they make a game that has good pitching and good hitting engines combined? If I play MVP, I have an ERA of 1.50 but boxscores are very accurate. If I play MLB, my pitchers ERA is 4.25 but my hitters put up Hall of Fame #'s!....very frustrating.

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    • Knight165
      *ll St*r
      • Feb 2003
      • 24964

      #3
      Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

      pb

      Did you try editing your teams contact attributes to see if it makes it harder for you to get hits? I'm guessing that there is some sort of "zone" that increases/decreases in relation to a players contact ratings.I guess it would be like altering the size of the bat. It's worth a try before you move to All-Star(if you're worried about strikeouts)

      M.K.
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      • pberardi
        Pro
        • Apr 2005
        • 964

        #4
        Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

        Originally posted by Knight165
        pb

        Did you try editing your teams contact attributes to see if it makes it harder for you to get hits? I'm guessing that there is some sort of "zone" that increases/decreases in relation to a players contact ratings.I guess it would be like altering the size of the bat. It's worth a try before you move to All-Star(if you're worried about strikeouts)

        M.K.
        Knight165
        No, my frustration is deeper than that. First, the cpu gets too many hits, many are meaningless that prolong the innings. If I lower my attributes, I'm handicapping my team's performance compared to the rest of the league?

        The difference between this year's game is simple. Instead of striking out on 3-2, 2-2 counts, the cpu throws fastballs over the plate. That's ok for some at bats, but mix it up a little! Give me some balls outside the plate for some more walks.
        When the cpu's pitching confidence meter is low, he throws fastball after fastball down the plate. Like a jerk, I'm looking at them trying to work the count. Well you can't work the count down 0-2. So I changed my approach and "hack" away. The result? 17 hits, 11 runs, blah, blah.

        Believe me Knight, I'm not that good to deserve such great offense.

        This is not nitpicking, its a real problem with playing style. Once again, MLB has failed to offer pitch variety (not to be confused with hit variety). When all is said, I'm averaging 2 walks per game with an occasional 4-5 walk game. Improvement" yes, but hardly enough to get excited about.

        I deal with the strikeouts on Allstar. Thanks for your concern, I know you speak for the game.

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        • nemesis04
          RIP Ty My Buddy
          • Feb 2004
          • 13530

          #5
          Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

          Originally posted by pberardi
          No, my frustration is deeper than that. First, the cpu gets too many hits, many are meaningless that prolong the innings. If I lower my attributes, I'm handicapping my team's performance compared to the rest of the league?

          The difference between this year's game is simple. Instead of striking out on 3-2, 2-2 counts, the cpu throws fastballs over the plate. That's ok for some at bats, but mix it up a little! Give me some balls outside the plate for some more walks.
          When the cpu's pitching confidence meter is low, he throws fastball after fastball down the plate. Like a jerk, I'm looking at them trying to work the count. Well you can't work the count down 0-2. So I changed my approach and "hack" away. The result? 17 hits, 11 runs, blah, blah.

          Believe me Knight, I'm not that good to deserve such great offense.

          This is not nitpicking, its a real problem with playing style. Once again, MLB has failed to offer pitch variety (not to be confused with hit variety). When all is said, I'm averaging 2 walks per game with an occasional 4-5 walk game. Improvement" yes, but hardly enough to get excited about.

          I deal with the strikeouts on Allstar. Thanks for your concern, I know you speak for the game.
          Do you have API on or off? Where do you have the pitcher Aggressiveness slider and pitch count set at?
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          • pberardi
            Pro
            • Apr 2005
            • 964

            #6
            Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

            Originally posted by nemesis04
            Do you have API on or off? Where do you have the pitcher Aggressiveness slider and pitch count set at?
            API is off
            Aggressive Slider is down 8 clicks to the left
            Pitch Count - almost maxed.


            With respect to the original poster, I apologize. I don't mean to monopolize the thread with my complaints.

            Is there a big skill level leap on Allstar? Does the CPU paint the black alot more? Can you hit with just "x" instead of zone?

            Are you walking 3-4x consistently?

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            • rudyjuly2
              Cade Cunningham
              • Aug 2002
              • 14816

              #7
              Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

              Originally posted by pberardi
              With respect to the original poster, I apologize. I don't mean to monopolize the thread with my complaints.

              Is there a big skill level leap on Allstar? Does the CPU paint the black alot more? Can you hit with just "x" instead of zone?

              Are you walking 3-4x consistently?
              Don't worry about it.

              Threads need to have some leeway to them anyways. Hopefully someone will still answer our questions about the All-Star level. I'm pretty happy on Veteran and don't want to waste my time moving up a level, tweaking slidesr, etc. if I'm not going to be happy in the long run.

              Rudy

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              • tfigs121
                MVP
                • Feb 2005
                • 1183

                #8
                Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

                Well, jumping between Veteran and AllStar, I found that on AllStar, my hitting was basically the same, and that is with using timed hitting. The problem I had was with pitching on AllStar. I just couldn't do it. My pitchers would get creamed. So, I kept going back to Veteran. I will probably continue to try All Star every now and then to see if I can get my pitching better.

                tfigs

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                • nemesis04
                  RIP Ty My Buddy
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 13530

                  #9
                  Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

                  Originally posted by pberardi
                  API is off
                  Aggressive Slider is down 8 clicks to the left
                  Pitch Count - almost maxed.

                  Interesting, the only thing I have different is pitch count at +5 instead of maxed. With those settings on HOF, the cpu pitcher definately gets in trouble a lot more and likes to nibble.

                  I wish I could comment about ALL Star but I do not play it, anything would be speculation.
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                  • RoyalBoyle78
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                    • May 2003
                    • 23918

                    #10
                    Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

                    Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                    For those that have played on both levels, can you describe what is different about the two levels?

                    All I know is that All-Star has zone hitting vs. Veteran timed hitting. I expect it to be harder but are there significant differences besides a simple jump in difficulty? Does the CPU pitch differently or execute different strategies? Thanks.
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                    • Kane182
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 690

                      #11
                      Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

                      Originally posted by tfigs121
                      Well, jumping between Veteran and AllStar, I found that on AllStar, my hitting was basically the same, and that is with using timed hitting. The problem I had was with pitching on AllStar. I just couldn't do it. My pitchers would get creamed. So, I kept going back to Veteran. I will probably continue to try All Star every now and then to see if I can get my pitching better.

                      tfigs
                      That's pretty much what I have found as well. Hitting on Veteran and All-Star seem to be mostly identical, but pitching is definitely harder on All-Star.
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                      • rudyjuly2
                        Cade Cunningham
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 14816

                        #12
                        Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

                        I will say I think I can get my pitching and opposing cpu hitting nearly perfect on Veteran. I really don't have a problem with that. Hitting is a little different based on what you expect. I can control my hits through cpu pitch speed, user contact, power and plate awareness but its just the combination and results that I'm playing with to improve a few things like being able to pull a fastball and still keep my hit totals down.

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                        • Stoud
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1259

                          #13
                          Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

                          I played Veteran for about 6 hours and have played All-Star ever since. Based simply on the realism of the variety of hits and how many are hit per game, the scores of the games, ect -- it's just the most realistic for my tastes. On Veteran I struck out maybe twice a game -- on All-star I strike out 6-10 times a game. It's worth it.

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                          • tfigs121
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 1183

                            #14
                            Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

                            I just played one game on AllStar in my 29 game season. I know it is only one game, so take it for what it is worth. I really saw no difference between Veteran and All Star. It was my Rockies against the A's in Oakland. Kim vs. Blanton. Kim gave up 4 hits over 8 innings and was lights out. I brought Fuentes in for the save and he struggled a little but got out of a bases loaded jam. The Rox had 15 hits, including 1 homer and 2 doubles. And that was using only timed hitting. Rox won 5-2. The game was 3-0 until the 8th. I did strikeout more than I usually do on Veteran which is fine with me. I noticed in Veteran, when checking my team stats to other teams that I had the least amount of strikeouts as a team. That was not the case playing "The Show: '06" where I struck out a lot more.

                            Rox 5 15 1
                            A's 2 9 0

                            tfigs

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                            • rudyjuly2
                              Cade Cunningham
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 14816

                              #15
                              Re: Difference between All-Star and Veteran

                              I think I've got my sliders to where I want them on veteran. I have challenging games and pretty good stats. If the stats are off (like low walks, too many K's) its simply because I'm a hack at the plate.

                              I am now 7-6 in my Tiger season and three times this year I have gone to at least the 13th inning. I've had to use my bench more than I like because of the fatigue but I'm having a lot of fun and that's the ultimate judgment factor with a game. I just beat the Jays 2-1 in 14 innings - no home runs either. That was much better than stupid Frank Thomas blasting 3 home runs in his first three at bats off me the previous day. He was plunked on his fourth at bat.

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