Plate Vision and Discipline

[pberardi]

Any idea what or how this affects the hitter? Is it more for sim stats ?

I played different teams and seem to get the same 3-4 walks per game and strikeout 4-5x per game. Clearly some teams should have more walks and strikeouts but I seem to get the same results no matter what the team.

I don't sim so I wouldn't know how the stats would come out.

[hi-teck]

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From what I know and read, discipline doesn't matter if you are controlling the player, it relates to taking close pitches, etc. Plate vision relates to how much of the plate the player can cover.

[Rod_Carew29]

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The lack of walks is DIRECTLY connected first and formost to a pitchers' control for his different pitches. For the way this game is shipped out of the box (PS2), the control is way too high.

Guys who you know in real life can't control their pitches more often than not (Daniel Cabrera, Denny Bautista) have FASTBALL CONTROL in the 60's or 70's, SLIDER CONTROL in the 80's, etc....

"...I played different teams and seem to get the same 3-4 walks per game and strikeout 4-5x per game. Clearly some teams should have more walks and strikeouts but I seem to get the same results no matter what the team..."

[imapotato]

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From what I know and read, discipline doesn't matter if you are controlling the player, it relates to taking close pitches, etc. Plate vision relates to how much of the plate the player can cover.

Actually I don't believe that is true...

I have played 5000+ games and I can tell you that when I bat with Pat Burrell the pitcher throws more balls then with Jimmy Rollins. Also more strikes are called balls on Burrell.

After that many games I don't think it's coincedence. Also when I have faced Todd Helton my pitches seem to be 'off' more then when I face Juan Pierre with the same pitcher

Plate vision is the range of a players bat...so if you hit X and its middle in...you will get a piece of it On HAll of Fame Mode.

I lower plate vision by 2 clicks to the left...and it makes me K more often, which is essential for the Phillies

Plate Discipline is for the CPU...and its inversed on the PS3 from the PS2. I raise it on PS2 (lower on PS3) by 2 clicks to the right. This way average discipline players swing at a nasty slider...on default I only saw low discipline guys hack

As for player ratings a low vision guy Ks alot and usually has a low BA. High vision guy is a guy that puts the ball in play
High Discipline is 100+ walk guy, low discipline will swing with a 3-1 count

Also for walks I lower pitch aggressiveness by 5 clicks to the left...many here lower it by 8

1) So to recap player ratings does effect the CPU against a player
2) Plate Vision at -2, plate discipline at +2 pitch aggressiveness at -5 will increase K's and walks.
3) Don't ALWAYS swing at a pitch close to the strike zone with 2 strikes on you. Many of those are balls, some are strikes called as balls. A lot of people here that complained about lack of walks would swing at a ball with default plate vision or higher with 2 K's

Don't be afraid to look at strike 3...that is realism

[pberardi]

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Actually I don't believe that is true...

I have played 5000+ games and I can tell you that when I bat with Pat Burrell the pitcher throws more balls then with Jimmy Rollins. Also more strikes are called balls on Burrell.

After that many games I don't think it's coincedence. Also when I have faced Todd Helton my pitches seem to be 'off' more then when I face Juan Pierre with the same pitcher

Plate vision is the range of a players bat...so if you hit X and its middle in...you will get a piece of it On HAll of Fame Mode.

I lower plate vision by 2 clicks to the left...and it makes me K more often, which is essential for the Phillies

Plate Discipline is for the CPU...and its inversed on the PS3 from the PS2. I raise it on PS2 (lower on PS3) by 2 clicks to the right. This way average discipline players swing at a nasty slider...on default I only saw low discipline guys hack

As for player ratings a low vision guy Ks alot and usually has a low BA. High vision guy is a guy that puts the ball in play
High Discipline is 100+ walk guy, low discipline will swing with a 3-1 count

Also for walks I lower pitch aggressiveness by 5 clicks to the left...many here lower it by 8

1) So to recap player ratings does effect the CPU against a player
2) Plate Vision at -2, plate discipline at +2 pitch aggressiveness at -5 will increase K's and walks.
3) Don't ALWAYS swing at a pitch close to the strike zone with 2 strikes on you. Many of those are balls, some are strikes called as balls. A lot of people here that complained about lack of walks would swing at a ball with default plate vision or higher with 2 K's

Don't be afraid to look at strike 3...that is realism

Thanks, now that you articulated these attibutes well, I can say that I experience exactly what you said. That good hitters get borderline calls as balls and vice versa. Also, when controlling the pitcher, there are times when I can't hit my spots even though the meter accuracy is good.

So plate vision will help me expand the zone for a hitter and plate discipline may get me more balls and into hitter counts.

Why play around with the plate awareness slider? Shouldn't we simply leave at default to rely on the hitters caps? Isn't that more realistic?

[nemesis04]

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Why play around with the plate awareness slider? Shouldn't we simply leave at default to rely on the hitters caps? Isn't that more realistic?

The plate awareness slider is the Show's version of what other games call a contact slider. It really adjusts your ability to make physical contact with the ball. Its a good tool to adjust based on personal skill.

[imapotato]

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The plate awareness slider is the Show's version of what other games call a contact slider. It really adjusts your ability to make physical contact with the ball. Its a good tool to adjust based on personal skill.

Nem,

I think you mean plate vision. The plate Awareness is a CPU slider, one that makes them chase borderline pitches, so you can get more K's or is it different on PS3 from PS2?

I know I lower plate vision by two and with high contact guys I can foul off pitches, but with Pat Burrell whose contact I lowered to about 50 against RHers and 60 againts LHers, I need to be exact as in, if the ball is low and outside and I swing with the left analog just to the right, I will swing over it

[Knight165]

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I'll chime in from my editing experience and the sim/management only mode play I have done.

Lowering Plate Vision increases strikeouts. I find that about halfway is good for about 100 strikeouts....closer to nothing in the bar will be closer to 200 K's for that player.
Plate Discipline will increase walks, but has less of an effect than the Vision attribute.

M.K.
Knight165

[nemesis04]

Re: Plate Vision and Discipline

Nem,

I think you mean plate vision. The plate Awareness is a CPU slider, one that makes them chase borderline pitches, so you can get more K's or is it different on PS3 from PS2?

Plate awareness is the human slider. Plate discipline is the cpu slider.

[imapotato]

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Yea I just noticed that when I tweaked them...

How does the SP and RP fatigue sliders work anyway? Does going to the right increase fatigue? or to the left? I have tried both and have not noticed any difference, especially when I lowered all the LOOGYS to 0 stamina

[nemesis04]

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Yea I just noticed that when I tweaked them...

How does the SP and RP fatigue sliders work anyway? Does going to the right increase fatigue? or to the left? I have tried both and have not noticed any difference, especially when I lowered all the LOOGYS to 0 stamina

The wording is misleading on the slider description because they mention the word fatigue and stamina. Many thought they were adjusting stamina but the slider is a fatigue slider, so adjusting it to the right would increase fatigue and make pitchers tire more quickly. The slider seems to be more responsive with the ps3 version.