Will Pitchers Make Too Much Contact in The Show '09?

[Rod_Carew29]

I'll tell you...

IF the SAME THING is done for '09, that was done in '08, the PROBLEM is that pitchers who don't hit at all have some or all of the hitting attributes filled in.

My general rules of thumb:

a) if a pitcher has NEVER, EVER hit, or has perhaps a single or two ONLY (no extra base hits), the contact and power attributes are ZERO

b) NO pitchers will have the drag bunting attribute populated...none. And this goes for overwhelmingly MOST position players too.

b) ONLY pitchers who have laid down at least one sac bunt will have the bunting attribute populated

c) pitchers who have not drawn even one walk, will have their plate discipline attribute at ZERO

d) pitchers who have never batted at all, will have their plate vision at ZERO.

e) 99.9% of relievers (for obvious reasons) should have ALL OF THE ABOVE zeroed out

It sucks that pitchers, at least in the demo still make contact just as easily as everyday players (Playing On All Star). Although it seems that no baseball game has ever really been able to get this right. Why?

[RAZRr1275]

Re: Will Pitchers Make Too Much Contact in The Show '09?

Hey Rod can you post up more of your rules of thumb? Your stamina scale from last year worked wonders.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ RAZRr1275

yeah, I may post a couple of more

but this thing with too pitchers having hitting attributes/bunting attributes bothers me going back to MVP '04

Hey Rod can you post up more of your rules of thumb? Your stamina scale from last year worked wonders.

[Azamien]

Re: @ RAZRr1275

I have to disagree with most of this. Don't forget that most pitchers were good hitters in college or whatever the last amateur level they played was. That shouldn't entitle them to good ratings of any sort, but I think that starting with '0' is too harsh.

As far as I can recall, AL pitchers are hitting around .180 in interleague play. That seems a bit higher than 0 ratings would grant.

[miamimarlins1]

Re: Will Pitchers Make Too Much Contact in The Show '09?

This has been my only complaint about the demo, the pitchers still seem to hit too often

[Senor_Herbatron]

Re: Will Pitchers Make Too Much Contact in The Show '09?

Brett Myers better be one hell of a hitter. That goes for Joe Blanton as well.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ Azamien

We're not talking about what guys did in college, high school or whatever the hell they did in the sandlots either

LMAO

Pay attention...attributes are based on the prior season (or as we're told, for '09, the last three)...
The stat about pitchers hitting .180 in meaningless. Why? Because most AL pitchers DON'T/DID NOT hit in interleague. Look it up

The ONLY exception I make is if I'm creating a CAP for a minor leaguer who HIT in the minors the year his CAP is based on...and those guys will be represented, but for most of the rest, it AIN'T happening

I have to disagree with most of this. Don't forget that most pitchers were good hitters in college or whatever the last amateur level they played was. That shouldn't entitle them to good ratings of any sort, but I think that starting with '0' is too harsh.

As far as I can recall, AL pitchers are hitting around .180 in interleague play. That seems a bit higher than 0 ratings would grant.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ houtz

I think you need to RETHINK what you wrote LMAO

Blanton in 2008, 1 for 17 = .058

Lifetime, 2 for 26 = .074

Brett Myers better be one hell of a hitter. That goes for Joe Blanton as well.

Myers: his 'best' hitting years were 2002-2005, nothing spectacular, but he was ok for a pitcher

in 2008: 4 for 58 (1 double) = .069

[duke776]

Re: Will Pitchers Make Too Much Contact in The Show '09?

Maybe he should've said Hamels since he's a decent hitter, and good for a pitcher(at least this past season he was).

[Rod_Carew29]

@ duke776

Duke, it'll all take care of itself, I dont have to speak on guys who have a little (or a lot) going on hittingwise....

I think I outlined all of that in my guidelines I go by

Maybe he should've said Hamels since he's a decent hitter, and good for a pitcher(at least this past season he was).

[chicubsfan20]

Re: @ duke776

HEY MAN!! I love hitting with Big Z.
Yeah I seem to rake with him for some games, I've had games where they went up high and I've had 2-HR with Big Z.

Their ratings for hittings can be toned down, but hopefully if they fixed it, the good hitters stats aren't too inflated but they still hit via real life.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ chicubsfan20

C'mon now...the Big Z is NOT whom I'm talking about. I am talking about the 95% of other starters and 99.9% of relievers that do absolutely ZERO

HEY MAN!! I love hitting with Big Z.
Yeah I seem to rake with him for some games, I've had games where they went up high and I've had 2-HR with Big Z.

Their ratings for hittings can be toned down, but hopefully if they fixed it, the good hitters stats aren't too inflated but they still hit via real life.

[Alonzo]

Re: Will Pitchers Make Too Much Contact in The Show '09?

yes, the good hitting of pitchers last year was very annoying.

In my last franchise in 08, a few of my pitchers had a BA well over .300-.400 after 30 games into the season. Make that 5 starts with 2-3 AB's per game...15 AB's and 5-6 hits, that won't happen in real life. Most of them barely get the bat on the ball in one AB.

[chicubsfan20]

Re: @ chicubsfan20

C'mon now...the Big Z is NOT whom I'm talking about. I am talking about the 95% of other starters and 99.9% of relievers that do absolutely ZERO

Haha! I know what you're saying, just had to push your buttons on it. Cause man does Big Z swing a mean stick, sometimes I wonder if he would do better if he quit swinging for the fences on EVERY pitch.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ chicubsfan20

LOL

Zambrano, Dontrelle Willis and Livan Hernandez off the top are the big three

Haha! I know what you're saying, just had to push your buttons on it. Cause man does Big Z swing a mean stick, sometimes I wonder if he would do better if he quit swinging for the fences on EVERY pitch.