Please Put Chien-Ming Wang on the D.L.!!!

[psalm116]

Please for god sake, put Wang on the D.L. call up Phil Hughes and put Joba back in the Bullpen!

It's not ROCKET SCIENCE!

Sony, please make a patch for the game so wang can pitch his sinker (ha,ha)

[viking12344]

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Gotta wonder how long they are going to deal with him. I am a Yankee/met fan and really feel bad for him as its a mental thing...he was fine in spring training. His poor era must be around 99.00. That being said, its sad to see a once very good pitcher just mentally lose it. I have a bad feeling he may not get over this.

[~Guru~]

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good way to clog up the forum with nonsense that has nothing to do with the game...

how about you go waste peoples time in the mlb forum

[SoxFan01605]

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Gotta wonder how long they are going to deal with him. I am a Yankee/met fan and really feel bad for him as its a mental thing...he was fine in spring training. His poor era must be around 99.00. That being said, its sad to see a once very good pitcher just mentally lose it. I have a bad feeling he may not get over this.

lol...a Yankee AND Met fan...don't come across that too often.

And for Wang it might only get worse, pitching in the new Yankee Stadium:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4080195

Though if he were to ever figure things out, his sinker might just be what the Yanks need in conditions like that...lol.

I do agree with the OP's comment about Joba though. My buddy (a Yankee diehard) and I have both been screaming for him to go back to the pen since he left.

I understand the argument for him starting, and it makes sense, but I'd rather have a guy dominate for an inning or two (going all out like Joba can) for 70+ games rather than temper things in order to last as a starter for 30+ games. Some guys seem built for the bullpen and Joba seems like one of them. It was a happy day for me when the Sox realized that with Paplebon.

[psalm116]

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good way to clog up the forum with nonsense that has nothing to do with the game...

how about you go waste peoples time in the mlb forum

Hey Guru,

If you want to complain, how 'bout Citifield, sight lines terrible in some sections, lose fly balls from the over hang, outfield walls too high, no dedication to the 86 or 69 Mets, but tons of dodgers stuff. Bring back the mistake in queens, Shea stadium!

I hope you know I had to give you a hard time for being a Mets fan, I actually looking forward to catch a game at citi, it has to be better than Shea.

[viking12344]

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I would also love to see Joba back in the pen...a chamberlain/rivera 7/8/9th could bring back memories of a Rivera/Wettland 7/8/9th. Pretty dominant. About 90% of the city also wants to see this. I can see Joba giving it his all however, those great starting pitchers make a LOT more money than great relievers.
Yeah the mets yankee thing. To be honest I have been a diehard yankee fan since the bronx zoo, growing up with that team, stuck with them through the awful 80's and enjoyed the late 90's all the while laughing at the pitiful mets. In my "older" age however, I have really come to like the Mets. I don't know what it is...just cant help rooting for them. They are no competition to the yankee legacy, I think thats why most Yankee fans brush them off.

[Instant Classic]

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You guys are morons for the joba to the pen thing. Why not put Burnett in the 7th and CC in the 8th then? They would dominate lol

[viking12344]

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Well, its early yet but Joba has proven in his time on the Yanks that he is more effective coming in for relief. Not saying he wont someday be as good a starting pitcher but who knows.

[psalm116]

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I would also love to see Joba back in the pen...a chamberlain/rivera 7/8/9th could bring back memories of a Rivera/Wettland 7/8/9th. Pretty dominant. About 90% of the city also wants to see this. I can see Joba giving it his all however, those great starting pitchers make a LOT more money than great relievers.
Yeah the mets yankee thing. To be honest I have been a diehard yankee fan since the bronx zoo, growing up with that team, stuck with them through the awful 80's and enjoyed the late 90's all the while laughing at the pitiful mets. In my "older" age however, I have really come to like the Mets. I don't know what it is...just cant help rooting for them. They are no competition to the yankee legacy, I think thats why most Yankee fans brush them off.

I hear ya, I call the 80's the dark period. If there was a bright spot it was Donnie Baseball!

Joba would be more effective for 100 games and not just 30 games as a starting pitcher, that's why people want to see him in the BP, plus he throw too many pitches and can't last more than 5-6 innings.

[SpacemanSpiff]

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Not even close to 90% wants Chamberlain in the pen and the portion of the city that does is not very well-informed. A good starter who can give you 200 innings is always more valuable than an elite reliever that gives you 80 innings. Even if Joba is a 3.50 era starter vs. a 2.40 era reliever, I'd still take him as a starter. Joba has been a starter all his life, people are acting like we were trying to convert a reliever into a starter but it's actually the complete opposite. You give him a chance as a starter and if he can't stay healthy for 200 innings, that's when you think about moving him to the bullpen.

[Imnus]

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Gotta wonder how long they are going to deal with him. I am a Yankee/met fan and really feel bad for him as its a mental thing...he was fine in spring training. His poor era must be around 99.00. That being said, its sad to see a once very good pitcher just mentally lose it. I have a bad feeling he may not get over this.

I think the "Comeback Code" got him.

[SoxFan01605]

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You guys are morons for the joba to the pen thing. Why not put Burnett in the 7th and CC in the 8th then? They would dominate lol

lol...zing!

Not even close to 90% wants Chamberlain in the pen and the portion of the city that does is not very well-informed. A good starter who can give you 200 innings is always more valuable than an elite reliever that gives you 80 innings. Even if Joba is a 3.50 era starter vs. a 2.40 era reliever, I'd still take him as a starter. Joba has been a starter all his life, people are acting like we were trying to convert a reliever into a starter but it's actually the complete opposite. You give him a chance as a starter and if he can't stay healthy for 200 innings, that's when you think about moving him to the bullpen.

lol...count me as "uninformed" then. (and I guess, at least according to one person...a moron too)

As I said, the argument for him as a starter makes sense...especially in a bubble. I think it's situational. Not sure about anywhere else, but nobody here is acting like Joba is a reliever being converted (I've never even heard that one before). I think the 200 innings vs 80 innings argument is fair, but not really looking at the Yankees situation as a whole.

200 innings means nothing if your bullpen can't finish the game for you. In fact, you can flip that argument completely in favor of him going to the bullpen. Affecting the outcome of 70 or more games can have greater impact than the 30+ played as a starter (especially if the bullpen behind you is in question...see Johan with the Mets)

It's about value to your team. The guy is a unique talent than can be effective in either role and thrived in his time in the bullpen. I'm not saying he's not going to be a good or even great starter. I don't know. What I do know is he was an excellent setup guy.

Some of the same "informed" people making the 200 inning argument said the same for Paplebon and then switched their stance when he became a dominant closer. "Experts" are only as good as results make them...lol.

I'm not saying the cases are exactly the same, I'm just saying one view isn't more informed or knowledgeable...the "informed" minds on the issue have split and flip-flopped on this from the beginning. The expertise seems to revolve around given success...lol...funny how that works.

The Yankees have some solid starters and a very shaky path to Mo from there. It's viewing things in that context where the Joba to the pen viewpoint makes sense. Again, not saying it makes more sense necessarily, but as a rival fan I hated having to face him in the eight vs the front end of a game. He was more dominant and imposing in that role (from this perspective). In either case, we'll see how it goes.

[Imnus]

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I would also love to see Joba back in the pen...a chamberlain/rivera 7/8/9th could bring back memories of a Rivera/Wettland 7/8/9th. Pretty dominant. About 90% of the city also wants to see this. I can see Joba giving it his all however, those great starting pitchers make a LOT more money than great relievers.
Yeah the mets yankee thing. To be honest I have been a diehard yankee fan since the bronx zoo, growing up with that team, stuck with them through the awful 80's and enjoyed the late 90's all the while laughing at the pitiful mets. In my "older" age however, I have really come to like the Mets. I don't know what it is...just cant help rooting for them. They are no competition to the yankee legacy, I think thats why most Yankee fans brush them off.

In the Yankees vs Mets WS, I was almost rooting for the Mets, you know the Yanks winning so much and the Mets really needed it. But after the Series actually began I thought nah... WTH, if they want a WS, then some other time when it's not against the pinstripes.

[Imnus]

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Not even close to 90% wants Chamberlain in the pen and the portion of the city that does is not very well-informed. A good starter who can give you 200 innings is always more valuable than an elite reliever that gives you 80 innings. Even if Joba is a 3.50 era starter vs. a 2.40 era reliever, I'd still take him as a starter. Joba has been a starter all his life, people are acting like we were trying to convert a reliever into a starter but it's actually the complete opposite. You give him a chance as a starter and if he can't stay healthy for 200 innings, that's when you think about moving him to the bullpen.

I think the problem resides more on the Yanks having mediocre bullpen for so many years than about people being ignorant. But I agree with you about he being starter, he was very dominant as a starter last year before the injury, he just had bad luck with wins.

However one thing we must have in mind is that the injury could have negative effects in his performance, so if he doesn't get his game he could become a closer eventually. But as of now it's too soon to tell.

[Fetrey]

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Correct if I'm wrong but isn't this forum for MLB 09: The Show???? I don't see what's so hard about logging onto the MLB forums and complaining there.