Player Potential Thread

[BatsareBugs]

Per the request of Russell, who wanted me to create a new thread with this post.

Just as an aid, after the player name was my original suggestion in this format (current potential/suggested) and the one following it is the player's current potential in the new online roster update, along with if it increased, decreased, or stayed the same.

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I downloaded the new rosters online. If you have the wacked-out potentials even if you have logged on to sportsconnect, you will have to do the following:

1) Go on Sportsconnect
2) Download and Save Live Roster
3) Go offline
4) Load up the Live Roster

You should have the new rosters with the potential fixes.

For reference (From my list last week, and additional notable players):
*NOTE: My initial proposed potentials were based on the roster out of the box.
**DISCLAIMER - Based on last year, potentials may change on download of the live roster (I remember I would do this since potential would change each time in previous games)**

Baltimore Orioles
Nick Markakis (B/A) - B - Same
Garrett Atkins (C/B) - C - Same
Jim Johnson (F/C) - F - Same
Brian Matusz (B/A) - A - Increased
Brad Bergesen (D/B) - B - Increased
Cla Meredith (F/C) - F- Same
Robert Andino (F/C) - F - Same

Boston Red Sox
Dustin Pedroia (C/B) - A - Increased
John Lackey (B/A) - B - Same
Jon Lester (C/A) - A - Increased
Daniel Bard (C/B) - A - Increased
Jed Lowrie (D/C) - A - Increased
Jeremy Hermida (D/C) - C - Increased
Josh Reddick (D/C) - D - Same

New York Yankees
Robinson Cano (D/B) - B - Increased
Chad Gaudin (D/C) - D - Same
Alfredo Aceves (D/C) - D - Same
Nick Swisher (C/B) - C - Same

Tampa Bay Rays
Evan Longoria (C/A) - A - Increased
Matt Garza (C/A) - B - Increased
J.P. Howell (D/B) - C - Increased
B.J. Upton (B/A) - A - Increased
Willy Aybar (F/C) - F - Same
Dioner Navarro (D/C) - C - Increased

Toronto Blue Jays
Aaron Hill (D/B) - B - Increased
Adam Lind (C/A) - A - Increased
Ricky Romero (B/A) - A - Increased
Jeremy Reed (D/C) - D - Same

Chicago White Sox
Carlos Quentin (D/B) - C - Increased
Gavin Floyd (D/B) - B - Increased
Mark Teahen (C/B) - C - Same
Dan Hudson (D/B) - B - Increased

Cleveland Indians
Grady Sizemore (D/A) - B - Increased
Shin-Soo Choo (D/A) - A - Increased
Asdrubal Cabrera (C/B) - A - Increased
Fausto Carmona (D/B) - C - Increased
Chris Perez (D/B) - A - Increased
Justin Masterson (C/B) - A - Increased
Joe Smith (D/C) - D - Same
Jake Westbrook (C/B) - C - Same
Jhonny Peralta (D/C) - D - Same
Jeremy Sowers (D/C) - D - Same
Michael Brantley (D/B) - A - Increased
Trevor Crowe (D/C) - C - Increased
Andy Marte (D/C) - D - Same

Detroit Tigers
Miguel Cabrera (D/A) - A - Increased
Justin Verlander (D/A) - B - Increased
Rick Porcello (B/A) - A - Increased
Max Scherzer (B/A) - A - Increased
Jeremy Bonderman (F/C) - F - Same
Armando Galarraga (C/B) - C - Same
Robinson Diaz (F/C) - F - Same

Kansas City Royals
Zack Greinke (B/A) - A - Increased
Joakim Soria (B/A) - A - Increased
Billy Butler (C/B) - B - Increased
Robinson Tejeda (D/C) - D - Same
Luke Hochevar (C/B) - C - Same
Chris Getz (C/B) - C - Same
Scott Podsednik (C/B) - C - Same
Alex Gordon (A/B) - A - Same
Mike Aviles (C/B) - C - Same
Josh Fields (D/C) - D - Same
Alberto Callaspo (D/B) - D - Same
Brian Anderson (F/C) - F - Same

Minnesota Twins
Joe Mauer (C/A) - A - Increased
Kevin Slowey (C/B) - B - Increased
Delmon Young (A/B) - A - Same
Jason Kubel (D/C) - C - Increased
J.J. Hardy (D/C) - D - Same
Glen Perkins (D/C) - D - Same
Brendan Harris (D/C) - D - Same
Anthony Swarzak (D/C) - D - Same

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Kendry Morales (C/A) - A - Increased
Juan Rivera (A/B) - A - Same
Jered Weaver (D/B) - A - Increased
Scott Kazmir (D/A) - C - Increased
Ervin Santana (D/B) - C - Increased
Jeff Mathis (D/C) - B - Increased

Oakland Athletics
Andrew Bailey (C/A) - A - Increased
Kurt Suzuki (C/B) - A - Increased
Dallas Braden (D/B) - C - Increased
Jerry Blevins (F/C) - D - Increased
Daric Barton (D/C) - B - Increased
Brad Ziegler (C/B) - C - Same
Kevin Kouzmanoff (C/B) - C - Same
Josh Outman (C/B) - B - Increased
Jake Fox (D/C) - C - Increased
Edgar Gonzalez (F/C) - F - Same
Gio Gonzalez (D/C) - A - Increased

Seattle Mariners
Felix Hernandez (C/A) - A - Increased
Franklin Gutierrez (D/B) - B - Increased
Mark Lowe (D/C) - D - Same
Ryan Rowland-Smith (D/B) - B - Increased
Brandon League (D/C) - D - Same
Jose Lopez (D/B) - D - Same
Eric Byrnes (B/C) - B - Same
Casey Kotchman (D/B) - D - Same
Jason Vargas (F/C) - F - Same
Garrett Olson (D/C) - D - Same
Eliezer Alfonzo (D/C) - N/A (Not on Roster)

Texas Rangers
Ian Kinsler (D/A) - A - Increased
Scott Feldman (D/B) - B - Increased
Brandon McCarthy (F/B) - D - Increased
Darren O'Day (D/B) - B - Increased
David Murphy (C/B) - C - Same
Julio Borbon (D/B) - A - Increased
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (D/C) - C - Increased
Taylor Teagarden (D/C) - A - Increased
Max Ramirez (D/C) - A - Increased

Atlanta Braves
Brian McCann (D/A) - A - Increased
Jair Jurrjens (C/B) - B - Increased
Martin Prado (D/B) - B - Increased
Eric O'Flaherty (D/B) - D - Same
Kenshin Kawakami (C/B) - C - Same
Melky Cabrera (D/B) - D - Same
David Ross (D/C) - D - Same
Eric Hinske (D/C) - D - Same
James Parr (F/C) - D - Increased

Florida Marlins
Hanley Ramirez (C/A) - A - Increased
Josh Johnson (B/A) - A - Increased
Leo Nunez (D/B) - D - Same
Anibal Sanchez (C/B) - C - Same
Renyel Pinto (F/C) - F - Same
Andrew Miller (D/C) - B - Increased
Rick Vandenhurk (D/C) - D - Same
Sean West (C/B) - A - Increased
Wes Helms (D/C) - D - Same
Cameron Maybin (A/B) - A - Increased
Emilio Bonifacio (D/C) - C - Increased

Washington Nationals
Ryan Zimmerman (D/A) - A - Increased
Adam Dunn (B/A) - B - Same
Matt Capps (D/B) - D - Same
John Lannan (C/B) - C - Same
Scott Olsen (F/B) - B - Increased
Josh Willingham (C/B) - C - Same
Jesus Flores (D/C) - C - Increased
Sean Burnett (D/C) - D - Same
Ross Detwiler (C/B) - C - Same
Ian Desmond (D/B) - A - Increased
Alberto Gonzalez (F/C) - F - Same

New York Mets
Jose Reyes (F/A) - B- Increased
David Wright (F/A) - A - Increased
Jeff Francoeur (D/B) - D - Same
Gary Matthews Jr. (B/C) - B - Same
Andersen Hernandez (F/C) - F - Same
Fernando Nieve (F/C) - F - Same
Alex Cora (D/C) - D - Same

Philadelphia Phillies
Cole Hamels (C/A) - A - Increased
J.A. Happ (C/B) - A - Increased
Jamie Moyer (A/B) - A - Same
Kyle Kendrick (F/B) - C - Increased
Juan Castro (D/C) - D - Same

Chicago Cubs
Carlos Marmol (D/B) - A - Increased
Randy Wells (C/B) - B - Increased
Geovany Soto (C/B) - A - Increased
Xavier Nady (C/B) - C - Same
Sean Marshall (F/C) - F - Same
Tom Gorzelanny (D/C) - D - Same
Mike Fontenot (D/C) - D - Same
Chad Tracy (D/C) - D - Same
Micah Hoffpauir (D/C) - D - Same

Cincinnati Reds
Nick Masset (D/B) - D - Same
Homer Bailey (A/B) - A - Same
Micah Owings (D/C) - C - Increased
Carlos Fisher (D/C) - C - Increased
Josh Anderson (D/C) - D - Same
Chris Dickerson (D/C) - A - Increased
Daniel Ray Herrera (D/B) - A - Increased
Matt Maloney (D/C) - B - Increased
Wladamir Balentien (D/C) - B - Increased
Miguel Cairo (D/C) - D - Same
Paul Janish (D/C) - B - Increased
Justin Lehr (D/C) - D - Same
Pedro Viola (D/C) - D - Same
Wilkin Castillo (D/C) - A - Increased
Drew Sutton (D/C) - B - Increased
Kevin Barker (D/C) - N/A - (Not on Roster)
Jared Burton (C/B) - C - Same
*Credit to ThirdDegree5803

Houston Astros
Hunter Pence (C/A) - A - Increased
Wandy Rodriguez (B/A) - B - Same
Michael Bourn (D/B) - B - Increased
Tommy Manzella (D/B) - A - Increased
Geoff Blum (D/C) - D - Same
J.R. Towles (B/C) - B - Same

Milwaukee Brewers
Prince Fielder (B/A) - A - Increased
Corey Hart (D/B) - B - Increased
Casey McGehee (F/B) - C - Increased
Doug Davis (C/B) - C - Same
Manny Parra (D/C) - D - Same
Rickie Weeks (D/B) - C - Increased
Trent Oeltjen (F/C) - F - Same

Pittsburgh Pirates
Zach Duke (D/B) - D - Same
Paul Maholm (D/C) - D - Same
Akinori Iwamura (C/B) - C - Same
Evan Meek (D/B) - D - Same
Ross Ohlendorf (D/B) - C - Increased
Lasting Milledge (A/B) - A - Same
Kevin Hart (D/C) - B - Increased
Daniel McCutchen (D/C) - A - Increased
Charlie Morton (D/C) - D - Same
Delwyn Young (F/D) - C - Increased
Neil Walker (D/C) - A - Increased

St. Louis Cardinals
Yadier Molina (D/A) - C- Increased
Kyle McClellan (D/C) - D - Same
Blake Hawksworth (D/B) - C - Increased
Brendan Ryan (D/C) - C - Increased
Skip Schumaker (C/B) - C - Same
Jason Motte (D/C) - A - Increased

Arizona Diamondbacks
Mark Reynolds (D/A) - A- Increased
Miguel Montero (D/B) - B - Increased
Juan Gutierrez (D/B) - B - Increased
Stephen Drew (C/B) - B - Increased
Conor Jackson (D/B) - C - Increased
Chris Young (C/B) - B - Increased
Clay Zavada (D/C) - B - Increased
Billy Buckner (D/C) - C - Increased
Carlos Corporan (D/C) - D - Same
Ian Kennedy (D/C) - B - Increased
Tony Abreu (D/C) - C - Increased
Drew Macias (D/C) - D - Same

Colorado Rockies
Huston Street (D/A) - B - Increased
Troy Tulowitzki (B/A) - A - Increased
Jeff Francis (B/A) - B - Same
Chris Iannetta (D/B) - B - Increased
Jorge de la Rosa (C/B) - C - Same
Matt Daley (D/C) - B - Increased
Jason Hammel (D/C) - B - Increased
Manuel Corpas (D/C) - D - Same
Jhoulys Chacin (C/B) - C - Same

Los Angeles Dodgers
Jonathan Broxton (D/A) - A - Increased
Rafael Furcal (A/B) - A - Same
Andre Ethier (B/A) - B - Same
Ronald Belisario (C/B) - B - Increased
Russell Martin (D/B) - C - Increased
Cory Wade (D/C) - B - Increased
James McDonald (C/B) - A - Increased
Charlie Haeger (F/C) - F - Same
Jason Repko (F/D) - F - Same

San Diego Padres
Adrian Gonzalez (D/A) - A - Increased
Luke Gregerson (D/B) - A - Increased
Kevin Correia (C/B) - C - Same
Chase Headley (A/B) - A - Same
Matt Stairs (A/B) - A - Same
Wade LeBlanc (B/C) - B - Same
Edward Mujica (D/C) - D - Same
Sean Gallagher (C/B) - C - Same
Everth Cabrera (D/B) - A - Increased
Tim Stauffer (D/C) - D - Same
Clayton Richard (D/C) - B - Increased
Adam Russell (D/C) - B - Increased
Greg Burke (F/C) - N/A (Not on Roster)
Tony Gwynn (D/C) - C - Increased
Luis Perdomo (F/D) - F - Same
Nick Hundley (D/C) - B - Increased
Will Venable (D/B) - A - Increased
Cesar Ramos (F/C) - F - Same
Ryan Webb (D/C) - B - Increased
Luis Durango (F/C) - F - Same
Mark Worrell (F/C) - C - Increased
*Note: There is a reliever named Trever Padres...

San Francisco Giants
Tim Lincecum (B/A) - A - Increased
Matt Cain (C/A) - A - Increased
Brian Wilson (C/A) - A - Increased
Pablo Sandoval (B/A) - A - Increased
Sergio Romo (D/B) - A - Increased
Jonathan Sanchez (D/B) - B - Increased
Aaron Rowand (C/B) - C - Same
Nate Schierholtz (D/C) - B - Increased
Emmanuel Burriss (D/C) - B - Increased
Eugenio Velez (F/C) - B - Increased

*Note: It appears that there are still a lot of A-potential minor league pitching prospects (generic players, not including real-prospects like Brian Matusz, Buster Posey, etc.).
Count:
A pitchers: 121
A position players: 21

However, the new roster has addressed the obvious potential problems.

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*I want to note that my list does not encompass all player potential changes, just some I suggested previously which I used as a reference for when looking through the new online roster update.

[19]

Re: Player Potential Thread

Another researched issue from the OS Minors thread...

My only issue is there is going to be 400+ D position players and only 150+ A/B/C position players not using any created players.

There is going to be sooo many guys that should be better and what are the chances that a D guy will go up? Has anyone done some extensive siming to see what the percentage is on this?

The ratings you give the guys will be key in the roster set and will be the major player here and I have no doubt that it can be done with great results.

[ty5oke]

Re: Player Potential Thread

I think SCEA might of forgot to up Jose Lopez's potential rating. He's still a D.

Just simmed a season and he hit .291 22 HR 90 RBI and still dropped 8 points overall. He is only 27 and don't see how he would drop 8 points after that season.

In his 2nd season he fell off miserably, .262 5 HR 63 RBI and lost another 8 points overall.

[cibo2]

Re: Player Potential Thread

I think they may have missed Alfredo Aceves as well he is still a D potential.

[Two Seamer]

Re: Player Potential Thread

I think SCEA might of forgot to up Jose Lopez's potential rating. He's still a D.

They may have, but it wouldn't be completely absurd if they simply left him a D. He probably deserves a C imo.

[Bamafan3723]

Re: Player Potential Thread

Bump this for Russell. Can a mod sticky it?

[DaoudS]

Re: Player Potential Thread

I was just thinking, why is it a big issue for older player (mid 30s) to have high potential? Does that effect their ratings before the next season start? If my memory serves me right, didn't the rating of the player decrease with age - regardless of potential?

[Slaughter4Heisman]

Re: Player Potential Thread

Glad to see this issue taken care of so quickly. One thing that bugs me is Billy Butler only having B potential and Alex Gordon having A. Butler is younger and had a much better season last year. Butler was A potential last year. I guess hitting 300 with 20 something bombs and 90 something RBI's and finishing second in the league in doubles really hurt his potential this year. I don't get it.

[ty5oke]

Re: Player Potential Thread

They may have, but it wouldn't be completely absurd if they simply left him a D. He probably deserves a C imo.

Agree to disagree.

For a guy entering his prime who ranked (4th) doubles (6th) HR's (3rd) RBI's in the majors at his position to all of sudden become worse and in 2 years become so bad he's on the inactive list in season mode. But to each his own.

[osori]

Re: Player Potential Thread

With the current engine, a very very simple rule that should be applied is :

For all players, Current Overall <= Potential.

I'm not sure who is in charge of the roster editing in SCEA, but that person should really do better.

[Speedy]

Re: Player Potential Thread

Another researched issue from the OS Minors thread...

Huge point and I hope it gets addressed more than anything.

[bxgoods]

Re: Player Potential Thread

I think SCEA might of forgot to up Jose Lopez's potential rating. He's still a D.

Just simmed a season and he hit .291 22 HR 90 RBI and still dropped 8 points overall. He is only 27 and don't see how he would drop 8 points after that season.

In his 2nd season he fell off miserably, .262 5 HR 63 RBI and lost another 8 points overall.

Same thing happened with me, I didn't see the players potential change based off performance.

[Two Seamer]

Re: Player Potential Thread

Agree to disagree.

For a guy entering his prime who ranked (4th) doubles (6th) HR's (3rd) RBI's in the majors at his position to all of sudden become worse and in 2 years become so bad he's on the inactive list in season mode. But to each his own.

Certainly the Inactive List seems too far a fall right away, but I think you're cherry-picking the stats there a bit. We're talking about a guy who in his career year was a 2.5 WAR player, strikes out three times as often as he walks, and is unanimously projected to regress immediately (to 2.0 WAR in 2010). I'm not trying to talk him down; I like him. I just don't think his game rating is all that surprising - it seems to fit the data. He'll regress to an average.

Definitely agree to disagree on the quality of the player, since I think we're not supposed to get into this stuff on here, but in the interest of not seeming like I was just flexing bias, I at least wanted to make a case for why SCEA might say it was not a mistake.

Go M's.

[mikemulloy]

Re: Player Potential Thread

Josh Reddick should be a B and Jed Lowrie should be a C or B

[nomarhits400]

Re: Player Potential Thread

Yep- you are right....