What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

[GutsNoGlory]

Often times when I'm using timing hitting on All-star I will have great timing on a swing but my PCI will be at the top or bottom of the zone when the pitch was a fastball down the middle with no movement. Even with players like Matt Kemp it seems to miss the ball by quite a bit sometimes, much more than I would miss if I were using zone. I like timing because everyone says it gets the closest to sim stats as possible but it's frustrating to miss meatballs because the PCI is completely off.

So because of this I was wondering specifically what stats affect your player's targeting with the PCI? I'm assuming Contact and plate vision, anything else? Plate discipline?

[Jm0ney2001]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Was it the first pitch? I find the pci is better deeper in to the count. Or it could just be one of those frustrating random things in the game.

[RunningTheNight]

I'd say it's determined by a 30/70 ratio of vision of the batter, and randomness. That's just my guess, though.

[JG1986]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Have this same problem. It aggravates me so much. I can see on a touch pitch. But for me, a lot of the times, it is on a 3-2 pitch where the pitcher throws a fastball middle up or middle down and the bat just doesn't near the ball.

[DarwinB]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Timing hitting is based on the hitter's attributes, as well as the user's "influence". For example, if you are batting with Kemp and get a hanging curveball and you swing with perfect timing and still miss - chances are Kemp was looking fastball up in the zone - resulting you missing or having weak contact even though you had a perfectly timed swing.

I am a big fan of timing hitting for this reason. It isn't based solely on my ability (or lack thereof), but also the hitter's attributes as well. There is no way a guy like Mark Reynolds will win the batting title because he never hits for a high BA IRL, but it isn't impossible for him to lead the league in homers as he has the power and with some help from the user, could certainly hit a bunch of homers while batting around .240. This is all assuming that the user isn't consistently chasing pitches out of the strike zone and striking out a lot. Even a guy with a high batting average IRL can't hit pitches in the dirt or pitches over his head very often (this is where the user's ability kicks in)

At least this is my understanding of timing hitting. Maybe some more experienced OS'ers can elaborate a bit more. Hope this helps

[Taffin]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Timing hitting is based on the hitter's attributes, as well as the user's "influence". For example, if you are batting with Kemp and get a hanging curveball and you swing with perfect timing and still miss - chances are Kemp was looking fastball up in the zone - resulting you missing or having weak contact even though you had a perfectly timed swing.

I am a big fan of timing hitting for this reason. It isn't based solely on my ability (or lack thereof), but also the hitter's attributes as well. There is no way a guy like Mark Reynolds will win the batting title because he never hits for a high BA IRL, but it isn't impossible for him to lead the league in homers as he has the power and with some help from the user, could certainly hit a bunch of homers while batting around .240. This is all assuming that the user isn't consistently chasing pitches out of the strike zone and striking out a lot. Even a guy with a high batting average IRL can't hit pitches in the dirt or pitches over his head very often (this is where the user's ability kicks in)

At least this is my understanding of timing hitting. Maybe some more experienced OS'ers can elaborate a bit more. Hope this helps

Totally agree. However, my issue with the way timing is implemented is that the PCI targeting doesn't seem to get any better for a user-controlled hitter with contact and vision in the 90s than for a hitter with those ratings in the 50s.

[MattP598]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Totally agree. However, my issue with the way timing is implemented is that the PCI targeting doesn't seem to get any better for a user-controlled hitter with contact and vision in the 90s than for a hitter with those ratings in the 50s.

Do your higher rated players have better stats for the most part?

[seanjeezy]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Totally agree. However, my issue with the way timing is implemented is that the PCI targeting doesn't seem to get any better for a user-controlled hitter with contact and vision in the 90s than for a hitter with those ratings in the 50s.

Don't quite remember who said it, swear it was one of the devs though, but the location of PCI takes into consideration the frequency of how often you have seen the particular pitch in the specific location. For example, if the pitcher hangs a curve but it's the first one the batter has seen, chances are you won't square it up. Like a previous poster said, the deeper you get into the game, the more accurate the PCI becomes. That is why it is important to only look for certain pitches early in the game since there is an adverse effect to being too aggressive too early: Quick outs rapidly boost the CPU pitcher's confidence, and we all know what that does to us timing hitting users.

[DarwinB]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Totally agree. However, my issue with the way timing is implemented is that the PCI targeting doesn't seem to get any better for a user-controlled hitter with contact and vision in the 90s than for a hitter with those ratings in the 50s.

But I do notice that the PCI is larger for the high BA hitters than for the average or lower BA guys. I play as the Yankees and when I use contact swing with Cano, the PCI practically covers the whole strike zone. It is quite a bit larger than most of the other guys in the lineup.

[DarwinB]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Don't quite remember who said it, swear it was one of the devs though, but the location of PCI takes into consideration the frequency of how often you have seen the particular pitch in the specific location. For example, if the pitcher hangs a curve but it's the first one the batter has seen, chances are you won't square it up. Like a previous poster said, the deeper you get into the game, the more accurate the PCI becomes. That is why it is important to only look for certain pitches early in the game since there is an adverse effect to being too aggressive too early: Quick outs rapidly boost the CPU pitcher's confidence, and we all know what that does to us timing hitting users.

Makes sense and I agree with your example.

[DarwinB]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

Do your higher rated players have better stats for the most part?

Yes. Sure, they will go on hot and cold streaks, but they will be your best hitters in the long run. Unless, of course, the user is chasing too many pitches out of the strike zone resulting in too many k's or too many weakly hit balls, which will skew the ratings in a negative way.

And a guy like Brandon Inge may go on a tear and hit .350 for a stretch - but don't count on him winning the batting title!

[m-dogg]

Re: What determines your PCI with timing hitting?

I agree the PCI is maddening on timing hitting! I have had a 3-0 fastball down the middle, "perfect" swing and miss or foul because my PCI was low outside corner for some reason. mentally I'm telling myself only swing at middle in FB, yet my dumb player is looking for a borderline corner strike?

PCI really shows its ugly head in the "contact" drill in RTTS. My player has 90/90 contact/vision...but its complete luck if you get enough "good contact" to pass. all you can do as a user is swing perfectly, the rest is random (you can't take pitches). I have had 6 perfect swings in a row in that drill before, and no valid hits to show for it. It messes with your head hehe. if im up to bat in the playoffs in a big spot, I dont feel as confident -- but I do understand why Big Papi will curse after just missing a meaty pitch, fouling it stright back. I have the same reaction! the worst is the announcer saying "had him guessing there, lucky just to get a piece"...what? I put a perfect swing on the exact pitch I was waiting for!

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