Energy on a Created Player vs. "Stock" Players

[redsoxfan25]

I have noticed this last year as well, it seems like a created player's energy drains faster then a 'stock' player's. I created myself and put my durability at 98, same as Ellsbury. My energy is about 50% whereas Ellsbury is about 75%. I put myself as a LF.

Has anyone encountered this?

[bearcaat12]

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I started thinking about this today... II use OSFM and Tampa Bay. Brought Wil Myers up in May, have to sit him every two games because he drains so fast.

[fatheifer]

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The energy situation as a whole is really annoying me. Juan Pierre, for example, should be able to play all 162 games without getting tired. This is baseball for Pete's sake. I understand that some players need days off every once in a while, but not every 5-7 games. Also, a day off should completely replenish a player's energy.

[Bobhead]

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I have noticed this last year as well, it seems like a created player's energy drains faster then a 'stock' player's. I created myself and put my durability at 98, same as Ellsbury. My energy is about 50% whereas Ellsbury is about 75%. I put myself as a LF.

Has anyone encountered this?

Did Ellsbury play the same number of innings (not just games... innings)?

Did you steal any bases or any other extracurricular things?

The energy situation as a whole is really annoying me. Juan Pierre, for example, should be able to play all 162 games without getting tired. This is baseball for Pete's sake. I understand that some players need days off every once in a while, but not every 5-7 games. Also, a day off should completely replenish a player's energy.

This is highly inaccurate. Clearly you've never actually played baseball or closely followed a season. Playing 162 is exhausting, and no player is fully replenished after a single day off. It doesn't work that way.

And I've had no problem playing my superstar guys every single game.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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Did Ellsbury play the same number of innings (not just games... innings)?

Did you steal any bases or any other extracurricular things?


This is highly inaccurate. Clearly you've never actually played baseball or closely followed a season. Playing 162 is exhausting, and no player is fully replenished after a single day off. It doesn't work that way.

And I've had no problem playing my superstar guys every single game.

While the 162 games is a hyperbole. Barring injury non catchers should be able to go around 150+ games a year If they are in their 20's or early 30's. Older players should need to rest more frequently. Fatigue for position players is a tad overdone.

[zukes]

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A couple tips keep fatigue at bay. Use defensive subs in games that are out of hand one way or the other, makes a big difference. Also, if you are playing in the American League, rotate the DH, guys will actually gain energy back on DH days.

[Bobhead]

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While the 162 games is a hyperbole. Barring injury non catchers should be able to go around 150+ games a year If they are in their 20's or early 30's. Older players should need to rest more frequently. Fatigue for position players is a tad overdone.

But it isn't. Like I said I have no problem playing my guys 150+ games a year. Just because the energy meter is low doesn't mean you have to rest the guy immediately. I've ignored the prompts plenty of times. The player doesn't collapse out on the field lol.

Just like in real life you can continue to play guys even though they are tired, and eventually you will get a scheduled day off and you'll be fine.

[fatheifer]

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This is highly inaccurate. Clearly you've never actually played baseball or closely followed a season. Playing 162 is exhausting, and no player is fully replenished after a single day off. It doesn't work that way.

And I've had no problem playing my superstar guys every single game.

Highly inaccurate? Juan Pierre has played 162 games for five consecutive seasons. I understand he's not the norm, but it should be represented in the game for players like that. I can understand how baseball is mentally exhausting, but I shouldn't have to rest my players every 5 games so they don't run slower or hit poorly. And they should certainly go back to nearly full energy after a day off.

[Bobhead]

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Highly inaccurate? Juan Pierre has played 162 games for five consecutive seasons. I understand he's not the norm, but it should be represented in the game for players like that. I can understand how baseball is mentally exhausting, but I shouldn't have to rest my players every 5 games so they don't run slower or hit poorly. And they should certainly go back to nearly full energy after a day off.

You said Pierre could play 162 without getting tired. That doesn't even make sense. And the idea of players being fully replenished after a day off is also silly. If that was the case no player would need days off, since all teams have scheduled days off throughout the season. And why are players more tired in August than in April?

And have you actually tried it? It's possible. Just never rest him... viola.

Players are tired in real life after extensive playtime. Whether they actually get days off or not is up to the manager, but that doesn't change the fact that they are tired.

It's the same in The Show. Don't exaggerate the "running slower" or "hitting poorly" stuff. I've played guys with practically empty energy meters.

In fact I just had a game where David Wright was overdue for a day off, and his energy meter was like barely visible... he carried my offense that game, and finished with 3 doubles and 2 HR.

Doesn't sound overdone to me.

[fatheifer]

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You said Pierre could play 162 without getting tired. That doesn't even make sense. And have you actually tried it? It's possible. Just never rest him... viola.

Players are tired in real life after extensive playtime. Whether they actually get days off or not is up to the manager, but that doesn't change the fact that they are tired.

It's the same in The Show. Don't exaggerate the "running slower" or "hitting poorly" stuff. I've played guys with practically empty energy meters.

In fact I just had a game where David Wright was overdue for a day off, and his energy meter was like barely visible... he carried my offense that game, and finished with 3 doubles and 2 HR.

Doesn't sound overdone to me.

3 doubles and 2 HR? What hitting difficulty?

[Bobhead]

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3 doubles and 2 HR? What hitting difficulty?

Hall of Fame. It wasn't even a slugfest, the rest of my team was pretty mediocre that game. Wright has just been on fire.

My point though is that you can play guys as many games as you like. Those "need rest" prompts are there to remind you, not to force your hand. I ignore them very frequently.

[fatheifer]

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Hall of Fame. It wasn't even a slugfest, the rest of my team was pretty mediocre that game. Wright has just been on fire.

My point though is that you can play guys as many games as you like. Those "need rest" prompts are there to remind you, not to force your hand. I ignore them very frequently.

I don't know what your sliders are, but it sounds like you're damn good at the game. Anyways, the prompts were really what was making me feel that way. I guess each individual player's durability rating will tell me who I should probably rest more often? My concern mainly was my players would get likely be injured with low energy.

[SoxFan01605]

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My point though is that you can play guys as many games as you like. Those "need rest" prompts are there to remind you, not to force your hand. I ignore them very frequently.

I know this is somewhat separate from your discussion, but we need to look at these things from more than just a direct user perspective. You can ignore substitution prompts and energy levels, but the AI does not. It is not as dramatic as some people claim, I agree (in fact, it has actually improved over the years as the durability rating used to have an even stronger impact. They still need to separate ratings for energy and durability IMO, but I digress.), but it is certainly still in need of optimization. Currently, in a straight simulation, I don't believe there is any chance of a 162 game season for any individual player.

It can be a noticeable issue in RTTS where your star player can't be on the field for more than a handful of games at a time without being sat down if his durability isn't high (and even when it is, to a lesser extent). This is another reason to have energy tied to something beyond the durability rating as in The Show, injury-prone means easily fatigued as well.

Part of me thinks it's somewhat intentional for balancing (imagine stats of some stock, unedited players in this game without some games off), but it's at a detriment to realistic games played. What would be nice is if there could be some depth chart related logic to allow for preset sub patterns (even something as simple as by percentage). This would be especially useful for catchers. Also, rotating guys through the DH spot to conserve energy should have a more noticeable benefit. These are relatively small things in the overall scheme, but would go a long way to add a strategic layer to franchise.

[Bobhead]

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I know this is somewhat separate from your discussion, but we need to look at these things from more than just a direct user perspective. You can ignore substitution prompts and energy levels, but the AI does not. It is not as dramatic as some people claim, I agree (in fact, it has actually improved over the years as the durability rating used to have an even stronger impact. They still need to separate ratings for energy and durability IMO, but I digress.), but it is certainly still in need of optimization. Currently, in a straight simulation, I don't believe there is any chance of a 162 game season for any individual player.

That's a good point about the AI/simulation. That's definitely something that needs to be addressed in the future.

And I too would like to see separate ratings for durability and energy. Not sure why they were ever combined, as they aren't even connected in real life. There are guys who can't stay off the disabled list but can play every single game if they are healthy, and there are guys who get tired quickly but have never been injured in their entire career.

[redsoxfan25]

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So far I have played in every inning of every game in Triple A. If there was a day off it was only 1. So far the Red Sox have only had 2. Ellsbury has also played in every inning of every game. I noticed last year too, it seems Triple A seems to play a lot of games with few days off. Whenever there is a blowout I do sub my guys accordingly.

Just seems like energy on created players drain quicker. And I also agree, there should be separate ratings for Energy and Durability.