Stats based lineup

[jct32]

I prefer these because it takes the pressure off me and if my lineup sucks it wasn't because of me. This is what I have been using so far but I wanted to know if there were better methods. So I would appreciate your input.

1. Put the best OPS in 3rd
2. Put the best remaining Slg in 4th
3. Put the best remaining OBP's in 1st and 2nd (with the better Slg in 2nd)
4. Arrange the remaining players in order of descending Slg

[mbarr403]

Sabermetrics claim the following to be the most efficient lineup:

1. Best OBP
2. 2nd best OBP
3. 5th best hitter
4. Best OPS/SLG
5. 4th best hitter


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[nomo17k]

Re: Stats based lineup

Setting starting lineup "better" doesn't seem to have as big an effect as we believe it does... and that's because how you organize the top of the line up matters the way you intend only when an offensive inning starts off with the top of the line up, which is guaranteed to happen only once in each game (the first inning).

[bspring3]

Re: Stats based lineup

Setting starting lineup "better" doesn't seem to have as big an effect as we believe it does... and that's because how you organize the top of the line up matters the way you intend only when an offensive inning starts off with the top of the line up, which is guaranteed to happen only once in each game (the first inning).

Tho you are right that traditional lineup theories have been shown to be defunct through sabermetrics...it is still beneficial to have high OBP players in front of your best hitters no matter where in the lineup they may be. It just so happens that having them earlier in the lineup gives them more at bats and thus more chances to score runs

[Troopershorty51]

Re: Stats based lineup

I don't ever go into sabermetrics but I usually just follow what I think is fairly standard:
1. fastest, good contact hitter
2. my best contact hitter regardless of speed
3. best hitter
4. 2nd best hitter
5. most power (Unless that person is batting 3rd or 4th, then the next in line)
6. all around player
7. power hitter, usually low contact
8. whatever is left
9. pitcher's spot

[Cozar]

Re: Stats based lineup

Tho you are right that traditional lineup theories have been shown to be defunct through sabermetrics..

Let's be careful, traditional lineups have been hypothesized, not shown to be defunct. There are still intangible factors, mostly the theory of "protection" that could potentially prove sabermetrics wrong if anyone actually tried it.

[nomo17k]

Re: Stats based lineup

Tho you are right that traditional lineup theories have been shown to be defunct through sabermetrics...it is still beneficial to have high OBP players in front of your best hitters no matter where in the lineup they may be. It just so happens that having them earlier in the lineup gives them more at bats and thus more chances to score runs

That may be true, but it's more of a general statement though... you are always better off with hitters with higher OBPs. You could still argue if it's better for your best hitter hitting 3rd or 4th to have a small number less hitting opportunities than 1st and 2nd hitter... that sort of thing.

Let's be careful, traditional lineups have been hypothesized, not shown to be defunct. There are still intangible factors, mostly the theory of "protection" that could potentially prove sabermetrics wrong if anyone actually tried it.

But it's really a silly thing to say something proves "sabermetrics wrong." Sabermetrics provides just a way to look at things, and it's simply a tool... you don't ever prove Microsoft Excel wrong, do you?? It can be relevant or irrelevant depending on who uses it how it's used.

[vcu9]

Re: Stats based lineup

this is a very interesting thread.

[HechticSooner]

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Don't forget that if you're using a sabermetric lineup that you're also supposed to bat the pitcher in the 8 hole, its way Tony was doing it the whole of 2010 or 2009 can't remember which. Anyway in that seasons sample size (a small one in the grand scheme of things but it at least was a whole season) it was shown that the true overall run difference was smaller than originally thought and thus would actually make little difference in the grand scheme.

[Greencollarbaseball]

Don't forget that if you're using a sabermetric lineup that you're also supposed to bat the pitcher in the 8 hole, its way Tony was doing it the whole of 2010 or 2009 can't remember which. Anyway in that seasons sample size (a small one in the grand scheme of things but it at least was a whole season) it was shown that the true overall run difference was smaller than originally thought and thus would actually make little difference in the grand scheme.

I believe that LaRussa did that in the late 90's and it was only to get McGwire more AB's with men on base.


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[TonyMoraco]

Re: Stats based lineup

8. whatever is left

...but seriously very interesting thread

[HechticSooner]

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I believe that LaRussa did that in the late 90's and it was only to get McGwire more AB's with men on base.


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He did it sporadically back then, but was convinced by the STL sabermatricians later that it would be the best lineup later and it was shone that statistically non variable during that season.

[Greencollarbaseball]

He did it sporadically back then, but was convinced by the STL sabermatricians later that it would be the best lineup later and it was shone that statistically non variable during that season.

Ah. Haven't really followed the cards so I didn't know he went back to it.


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