Removing the DH in A.L. Games

[zkiesel]

Ok, so I basically want to know why this game doesn't allow you to remove the DH in an A.L. game and place him at a position, thus putting the pitcher in the lineup. Here's my situation:

I was playing as the Twins, and I had Joe Mauer DHing and Ryan Doumit catching. Late in the game, I pinch ran for Doumit. The next inning, I tried to stick Joe Mauer behind the plate and put the pitcher in Doumit's spot, but the game wouldn't let me. This is a perfectly sound baseball rule, so am I doing it wrong, or is it really not available?

[RecordBreakerCF]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

When you don't succeed, try, try again!

[Bobhead]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

You're not doing it wrong, it's not available.

I've had the same question for a few years now.

I also want to know why you can't use a pitcher as a pinch hitter successfully.

The in-game management options are very limited.

[RecordBreakerCF]

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Are you sure about that? I've used a pitcher as a pinch hitter, but I do that sometimes in Spring Training.

[Bobhead]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

Are you sure about that? I've used a pitcher as a pinch hitter, but I do that sometimes in Spring Training.

Were you then required to pitch with that pitcher? Every time I tried it would not let me sub the pitcher out.

[RecordBreakerCF]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

Yes I was required to pitch with that pitcher. When I use a pitcher as pinch hitter in Spring Training, it's usually if not always CC Sabathia.

[Bobhead]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

Yes I was required to pitch with that pitcher. When I use a pitcher as pinch hitter in Spring Training, it's usually if not always CC Sabathia.

Yeah that's what I meant. That makes it really impractical to pinch hit with a pitcher.

In real life you can pinch hit with anyone and they are never obligated to stay in the game, pitcher or not.

[Beastin]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

if you pinch hit for the DH in a game you lose the DH, therefore the pitcher has to hit from there on out. So actually the game is accurate, also if you pinch hit a pitcher he has to throw to a batter, unless he has an injury that disables him from continuing to pitch (judgement by the umpire)

[Beastin]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

i just realized i read the OP wrong......my bad, you are right you were saying exactly what i just said.......

[Bobhead]

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also if you pinch hit a pitcher he has to throw to a batter, unless he has an injury that disables him from continuing to pitch (judgement by the umpire)

That's not correct. You can pinch hit a pitcher and he does not have to throw. The fact that he normally pitches is completely irrelevant here, He is entering the game as a batter, and is no different from anyone else entering the game as a batter.

Players don't even have assigned positions from the bench, so what you're saying wouldn't even make sense if it were true. Would Rick Ankiel be forced to pitch after pinch hitting, since he used to pitch? How would you define "pitcher"?

A player is not considered a pitcher until he takes the mound, period. Pinch hitting with Cliff Lee should work exactly the same as pinch hitting with Vernon Wells.

[G3no_11]

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I would also like to add that being able to pinch run pitchers would also be a good/realistic option.

Some pitchers are great overall athletes and occasionally come in to pinch run for some of the slow guys so they don't have to burn a position player off their bench.

[HahnSolo]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

The only explanation I can offer is the "Designated Hitter" option on the Season/Franchise creation screen. This however, would make the pitcher bat in all games, regardless of league. Other than that, it's most likely not available.

[ptbnl]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

The only explanation I can offer is the "Designated Hitter" option on the Season/Franchise creation screen. This however, would make the pitcher bat in all games, regardless of league. Other than that, it's most likely not available.

Not quite what he's asking.

He's talking about during a game with a DH, taking the player who is DHing and putting him in the field defensively. That would, by rule, eliminate the DH for the remainder of the game, and make the pitcher bat in the spot where the defender removed from the game (the guy replaced by the ex-DH) was batting.

[ML]

Re: Removing the DH in A.L. Games

if you pinch hit for the DH in a game you lose the DH, therefore the pitcher has to hit from there on out. So actually the game is accurate, also if you pinch hit a pitcher he has to throw to a batter, unless he has an injury that disables him from continuing to pitch (judgement by the umpire)

The rule is that you cannot switch a pitcher into the game, AS A PITCHER, and then switch him out without him facing a batter first. They just screwed this up last week in the MLB though I don't remember what game exactly.

I think you mixed up the rule with the pitcher and batter. If that was the case then technically anybody who pinch hits in the pitcher role would have to face a batter, which would be rather ridiculous.

[cbutler0509]

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Ok to clear this up once and for all..sort of

"The Designated Hitter rule:
A hitter may be designated to bat for the starting pitcher and all subsequent pitchers in any game without otherwise affecting the status of the pitcher(s) in the game. A Designated Hitter for the pitcher must be selected prior to the game and must be included in the lineup cards presented to the Umpire-in-Chief.

The Designated Hitter named in the starting lineup must come to bat at least one time, unless the opposing club changes pitchers. It is not mandatory that a club designate a hitter for the pitcher, but failure to do so prior to the game precludes the use of a Designated Hitter for that game.

Pinch hitters for a Designated Hitter may be used. Any substitute hitter for a Designated Hitter himself becomes a Designated Hitter. A replaced Designated Hitter shall not re-enter the game in any capacity. The Designated Hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same position in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player, unless more than one substitution is made, and the manager then must designate their spots in the batting order.

A runner may be substituted for the Designated Hitter and the runner assumes the role of the Designated Hitter.

A Designated Hitter is "locked" into the batting order. No multiple substitutions may be made that will alter the batting rotation of the Designated Hitter.

Once the game pitcher is switched from the mound to a defensive position this move shall terminate the DH role for the remainder of the game. Once a pinch-hitter bats for any player in the batting order and then enters the game to pitch, this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game.

Once a Designated Hitter assumes a defensive position this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game."

Pulled straight from rules and regulations page http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info...gulations****p

Here is where I am confused. the designated hitter is locked in the batting order meaning if you DH the 4 spot then the fourth hitter must always be the dh. If you put that player in the field, that player still hits in the 4 hole. Meaning that the DH rule is now done, and the position player who came out of the game is now the pitchers spot in the batting order. So how do you get around that by making more than one substitution? Cause it says you can.